Getting around the special margin requirements

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by nijshar28, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. @guru Hey man. Thanks for your input. I will look into the Reg T rules, as you suggest. I am pretty sure the requirement is less that 100% though, for longs at least. I also understand that some brokers set margin requirements based of the stock's price, as you said. In the end, I don't really care how the margin requirements are set. I was just wondering if there's a way to lower them. I guess I can always call IB and try to talk to them about it. I doubt this is something they can adjust for individual clients though. Maybe they can inform me more on how their portfolio margin works, and why I don't see much improvement with it. Anyway, thanks for your help.
     
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    #11     Jun 4, 2020
  2. destriero

    destriero


    lol there is no way that you have a Value at Risk figure of <1% unless you're trading odd lots. That's complete fantasy. Do you even know what the VaR represents? Your daily VaR is under 1%?

    Go long or short the synthetic if you're holding overnights.
     
    #12     Jun 4, 2020
  3. I hear you. I may have exaggerated a bit. I am trading odd lots though. Can you please elaborate why the lot size may matter risk-wise? More precise position sizing?

    VaR is the lower 5% of the distribution of returns, right?

    "Go long or short the synthetic if you're holding overnights." Tbh I have no idea what that means. Care to elaborate?
     
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    #13     Jun 4, 2020
  4. destriero

    destriero

    If shorting; go long the x-put, short the x-call, same strike. Reverse for longs. IBKR will require less. It will also give you an indication on what HTB shares are costing you.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/04/092904.asp
     
    #14     Jun 4, 2020
  5. guru

    guru


    OK, so you're looking for better margin requirements. While I'm saying that your starting point should be the good knowledge of what those requirements are, why, and whether it's possible to make them better. I'm actually surprised you're shorting a lot of stocks without knowing much about how they're margined :)
    But generally:

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/marginaccountshortsell.asp
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    Here is TDA margin that I believe is very similar to IB (you can look that one up too):
    https://www.tdameritrade.com/retail-en_us/resources/pdf/AMTD086.pdf
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    So basically I don't think you can do anything about margin when those are the rules for everyone.
    Not sure whether other brokers can help either, while a paper account may not be going through a clearing firm to display and validate the actual margin requirements.
    You may want to contact the other broker(s) with very detailed questions before/if you'd decide to move. You just need to start with a solid knowledge first.

    (synthetics relates to options, but I don't think most of your stocks are optionable)
     
    #15     Jun 4, 2020
  6. Interesting. I am not trading options yet. But this should make for a good bedtime reading :) Thanks!
     
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    #16     Jun 4, 2020
  7. Hey. Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.
     
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  8. Metamega

    Metamega

    Only way is offshore, I wouldn’t touch that with a 10’ pole. Be the next SureTrader or whatever they were.
     
    #18     Jun 4, 2020
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