Here is a scenario I thought of. I am not claiming to be the first to think of this, only that I haven't heard of this elsewhere. PDT is enforced individually at each brokerage. Within any 5 day period, you can only make 3 round trip day trades without being shut down as a day trader, if your account is below 25K. So here is my solution. Don't open a single account with 10 or 15K. You're only screwing yourself by limiting yourself to three trades weekly. Instead open up 5 different accounts with different brokerages. I don't know something like IB, Datek(yeah, it can be expensive), whatever, just something reasonably cheap. Keep the minimum in there, or better yet find an account that has no minimum after the initial. Each account is for a day. Your IB Account might be your Monday account. Your Datek account could be your Tuesday account. Somwhere else, wednesday, etc. The point is, you can now make 3 round trips per day/15 per week. I know this is a lot of work, but for some people it might be worth it. The futures markets are expensive places to learn. Does this sound like it would work?