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Discussion in 'Trading' started by destriero, Dec 20, 2021.

  1. what about on "200 lot bull position in NDX/short futures against. Max gain of 2.4 on Feb4 and 3.3 terminal." what does that mean?
     
    #91     Jan 25, 2022
  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    200 contracts which he has hedged. If the naz takes off he makes $2.40/contract by Feb 4. If he keeps it open and the naz stays up, he makes $3.3/contract at expiration.
     
    #92     Jan 25, 2022
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  3. destriero

    destriero

    It's a poor correlation to NDX. MSFT much bigger impact than TSLA. GOOGL and AMZN are the drivers next week. TSLA's had huge deliveries in the last quarter.
     
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    #93     Jan 25, 2022
  4. destriero

    destriero

    2.4 mil. It's 200 lots of NDX (spread). That's truly best case on LTD and terminally it's a max of 3.3, but I won't get close to that, even assuming a 15,200 pin, as there would be residual value on the Feb4s on last trading day and I won't want to carry the risk of the other tenors once the Feb4 leg goes off.
     
    #94     Jan 25, 2022
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    I for one hope you make your target, because I am a perma-bull, as you probably know. Just a really shitty one that cannot understand the complexities of hedging FOPS.
     
    #95     Jan 25, 2022
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  6. destriero

    destriero

    The only time a pin is possible (pin = terminal value) occurs on serial expirations that settle to cash at the open on Friday (Thursday as LTD).
     
    #96     Jan 25, 2022
  7. Step 1 is to understand what dest says at least half the time. I'm currently at 5%.
     
    #97     Jan 25, 2022
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  8. Overnight

    Overnight

    I understand what he is saying at a 40% level.

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/get-long.363639/page-8#post-5530423

    He had a huge position looking for that 14150 target. He did not see it at the time, cut it, and re-positioned.

    He is a better trader than I, but I do understand one thing...He thrives in this high IV-type market. It's like a field of nectar for him, where bees don't sting him...They ask to be stung by him.
     
    #98     Jan 25, 2022
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  9. Man you're smart.
     
    #99     Jan 25, 2022
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    This is an incorrect assumption. If I was smart, I would he hedging my open futures trades with FOPS. Since I am not doing that, because I do not understand how to, I am a dumbass.
     
    #100     Jan 25, 2022