George W. Bush: Why he was the best leader ever!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by peilthetraveler, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Oh...Well if we are looking at it that way, then I saw George Washington was the worst president in history. I mean he lost over 25,000 American lives in the revolutionary war. Thats more than 5 times the amount lost in iraq & afghanistan combined! And thats not even counting the 1,000s of foreigners(british) we killed.

    No wait...Lincoln! He HAD to be the worst president. He lost 365,000 american lives and another 260,000 confederate lives were lost in the Civil war. Yep...Lincoln HAS to be the worst president ever. He should've just let the south keep blacks as slaves.

    Glad you opened my eyes.
     
    #11     Jul 30, 2012
  2. So I guess black people in the US are not free.
     
    #12     Jul 30, 2012
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    They're free to murder rape and pillage. Or so it would seem. AND the federal government pays them to do it.
     
    #13     Jul 30, 2012
  4. jem

    jem

    I did not think it possible...

    but obama makes bush look good and they both made clinton look good except for glass steagall (which is a very big exception) .
     
    #14     Jul 30, 2012
  5. mgrund

    mgrund

  6. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    Oh man, was he caught in *another* lie? What extraordinary circumstances are required for RCG to tell the truth?
     
    #16     Jul 30, 2012
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Yep
    A congressional balanced budget maybe?
     
    #17     Jul 30, 2012
  8. I can see you have the same deficits as the redneck, I can definitely believe that.:D
     
    #18     Jul 30, 2012
  9. mgrund

    mgrund

  10. It's too simple to blame just Bush, because Bush is too simple. But it was a crime that the US as a whole is guilty of. We love watching bombs on TV.



    Source Casualties Time period
    Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006
    Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006
    Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007
    Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009
    Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
    WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009


    The combined total of coalition and contractor casualties in the conflict is now over ten times that of the 1990–1991 Gulf War. In the Gulf War, coalition forces suffered around 378 deaths, and among the Iraqi military, tens of thousands were killed, along with thousands of civilians.

    Many U.S. veterans of the Iraq War have reported a range of serious health issues, including tumors, daily blood in urine and stool, sexual dysfunction, migraines, frequent muscle spasms, and other symptoms similar to the debilitating symptoms of "Gulf War syndrome" reported by many veterans of the 1991 Gulf War, which some believe is related to the U.S.'s use of radioactive depleted uranium.[91]

    A study[92] of U.S. veterans published in July 2004 in The New England Journal of Medicine on posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other mental disorders in Iraq and Afghanistan veterans found that 5 percent to 9.4 percent (depending on the strictness of the PTSD definition used) suffered from PTSD before deployment. After deployment, 6.2 percent to 19.9 percent suffered from PTSD. For the broad definition of PTSD that represents an increase of 10.5 percent (19.9 percent - 9.4 percent = 10.5 percent). That is 10,500 additional cases of PTSD for every 100,000 U.S. troops after they have served in Iraq. ePluribus Media, an independent citizen journalism collective, is tracking and cataloging press-reported possible, probable, or confirmed incidents of post-deployment or combat-zone cases in its PTSD Timeline.[93]

    Information on injuries suffered by troops of other coalition countries is less readily available, but a statement in Hansard indicated that 2,703 U.K. soldiers had been medically evacuated from Iraq for wounds or injuries as of October 4, 2004, and that 155 U.K. troops were wounded in combat in the initial invasion.[94]

    Traumatic brain injuries
    A March 4, 2009, article in USA Today[99] reported that according to a Pentagon estimate, as many as 360,000 U.S. veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts may have suffered traumatic brain injuries (TBI), including 45,000 to 90,000 veterans with persistent symptoms requiring specialized care. (A separate estimate for the Iraq conflict alone was not specified.)

    A February 2007 article in Discover, "Dead Men Walking — What Sort of Future Do Brain-Injured Iraq Veterans Face?", reports: "One expert from the VA estimates the number of undiagnosed TBIs at over 7,500. Nearly 2,000 brain-injured soldiers have already received some level of care, ..."[100]

    USA Today reported in November 2007:

    At least 20,000 U.S. troops who were not classified as wounded during combat in Iraq and Afghanistan have been found with signs of brain injuries, according to military and veterans records compiled by USA TODAY.

    The data, provided by the Army, Navy and Department of Veterans Affairs, show that about five times as many troops sustained brain trauma as the 4,471 officially listed by The Pentagon through September 30. These cases also are not reflected in the Pentagon's official tally of wounded, which stands at 30,327.[101]

    [edit]Mental illness and suicide
    A top U.S. Army psychiatrist, Colonel Charles Hoge, told the U.S. Congress in March 2008 that nearly 30 percent of troops on their third deployment suffer from serious mental-health problems, and that one year was not enough time between combat tours.[102]

    A March 12, 2007, Time article[103] reported on a study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. About one third of the 103,788 veterans returning from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars seen at U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs facilities between September 30, 2001, and September 30, 2005, were diagnosed with mental illness or a psycho-social disorder, such as homelessness and marital problems, including domestic violence. More than half of those diagnosed, 56 percent, were suffering from more than one disorder. The most common combination was post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.

    In January 2008, the U.S. Army reported that the rate of suicide among soldiers in 2007 was the highest since the Army started counting in 1980. There were 121 suicides in 2007, a 20-percent jump over the prior year. Also, there were around 2100 attempted suicides and self-injuries in 2007.[104] Other sources reveal higher estimates.[105]

    Most Iraqi children suffering from psychological symptoms

    Seventy percent of children are suffering from trauma-related symptoms according to a study of 10,000 primary school students in the Sha'ab section of north Baghdad, conducted by the Iraqi Society of Psychiatrists and the World Health Organization. "We're now finding an elevation of mental health disorders in children – emotional, conduct, peer, attention deficit", according to Iraqi psychiatrist Hashimi. "A number are even resulting in suicide."[145]
     
    #20     Jul 30, 2012