George W. Bush latest assessment: "We're kicking ass" in Iraq.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by SouthAmerica, Sep 7, 2007.

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    September 7, 2007

    SouthAmerica: After a surprise visit to Iraq US President George W. Bush went on a visit to Australia for the 15th annual Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum (APEC), to attend that summit.

    When asked how things are coming along in Iraq during an official meeting the US President answer was: "We're kicking ass" in Iraq.

    Here is how George W. Bush arrived to that conclusion:


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    George W. Bush’s version of "We're kicking ass" in Iraq.

    This information is as of May 19, 2007 since then the US kicked a lot more ass in Iraq.

    When people talk about the current war in Iraq the figures are distorted when compared with the figures from the Vietnam War.

    The New York Times had a front-page article on May 19, 2007 – “Death Toll for Contractors Reaches New High in Iraq.” – As military steps up efforts, risks also rise for drivers, translators and others.

    Then the article said regarding the current Iraq War: “…That brings the total number of contractors killed in Iraq to at least 917, along with more than 12,000 wounded in battle or injured on the job, according to government figures and dozens of interviews."

    During the Vietnam War most of these people would have been part of the US forces. But today the US armed forces have outsourced part of the death toll and number of wounded people to a new group called contractors.

    But for all practical purposes for us to have a better picture of the total death toll in Iraq plus the number of wounded American soldiers then we need to adjust the numbers to also include the numbers related to the contractors.


    A better estimate of the Iraq War number of casualties and wounded is:


    US Military Fatalities as of May 28, 2007 = 3,466 people

    Contractors Fatalities as of May 19, 2007 = 917 people

    Total Fatalities = 4,383 people.


    US Military wounded as of May 28, 2007 = 25,242 people

    Contractors wounded as of May 19, 2007 = 12,000 people

    Total Wounded = 37,242 people



    Source: http://icasualties.org/oif/

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    The New York Times article of May 19, 2007.



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    “Kickin' Ass with the Prez”
    September 7, 2007

    According to The Sydney Morning Herald, during a meeting with Australian Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile, President George W. Bush asserted that "We're kicking ass" in Iraq.

    Indeed. Unfortunately, the President apparently didn't mention that it's our own ass we're kicking; but he can be forgiven for leaving out that detail, what with the way just about everyone else in Iraq seems to be kicking our ass, too.


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    Here is another example of the latest “kicking ass" in Iraq.

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    “Seven US soldiers killed in Iraq”
    Deutsche Presse-Agentur
    Sep 7, 2007, 9:49 GMT

    Baghdad - Seven US soldiers were killed in two separate attacks in Iraq, the US military said Friday.

    Insurgents killed four Marines Thursday during a security offensive in the western province of al-Anbar.

    Another three soldiers were killed Thursday in a blast in the northern province of Nineveh, bringing American military casualties in Iraq to over 3,750 killed since the US-led war in 2003.


    Source: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/..._1352892.php/Seven_US_soldiers_killed_in_Iraq


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  3. Brazil murder rate similar to war zone, data shows
    September 25, 2006

    BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said on Monday.


    Sign up for: Globe Headlines e-mail | Breaking News Alerts Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 -- a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates


    SA, what's amusing about your post is that Brazillians WOULD BE SAFER if they moved to Iraq.

    Why don't you do something useful with your time and write about the ethanol scam going on in the US and how we need to drop tarrifs to get an alternative fuel?
     
  4. Idiot Bush defenders/apologists living as an eternal strawman fallacy, that's sputidiot.

    <img src=http://100veces.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/strawman.jpg>

     
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    September 9. 2007

    SouthAmerica: Reply to sputdr

    The enclosed thread is about how well the United States is doing in Iraq, and not about Brazil.

    The US is doing as well in Iraq as the US did in Vietnam.

    The US showed to the world how much "ass kicking" they were doing in Vietnam – I remember clearly like if it had happened yesterday when that last helicopter lifted from the rooftop of the America embassy at the closing of that war.

    History repeats itself all over again – Americans love symbols and historical moments (usually staged for the cameras) - and I can already picture the last American helicopter lifting from the rooftop of the American embassy in Baghdad – in another symbolic defeat as in Vietnam.

    It does not matter if that Hallmark symbolic moment comes in 6 months, 1 year, or 5 years – there are no two ways about it everybody knows how this picture is going to end.



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    By the way, I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you about which country has more problems with its gangs. At last count the United States had over 2 million people who belongs to criminal gangs and only 1.7 policemen to keep these criminals in check.

    I don’t have time to compile right now, but if you check the number of murders in the United States for the last 20 years you will see that Brazil is no match to the US statistics – the United States beat Brazil very easily on that department. And today the US gangs are moving from the big US cities and they are moving to your local neighborhood – and very soon we will not have a safe place anywhere in the United States. It is just a matter of time.

    The US has 2.2 million people in prison, and jails around the country plus over 5 million people on parole.

    Please don’t give this BS about crime in Brazil – the United States when the US has a very similar problem.

    Besides in Brazil most of these people that you mentioned who are dying are criminals who belong to criminal gangs. In Iraq they are killing innocent women, senior citizens, and children by the thousands.

    Never mind when the US did nothing and just watched when Israel annihilated the entire country of Lebanon.

    Brazil will never come close to the United States when it comes to having bloody hands.

    Not in a million years.


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  6. They have a lot of donkey's in iraq, and their quite stubborn animals.

    This seems plausible.
     
  7. There are an estimated 55,000 murders in Brazil every year[2], about 30,000 murders committed annually in Russia, approximately 25,000 murders in Colombia (in 2005, murders went down to 15,000[3]), approximately 20,000 murders each year in South Africa, approximately 15,000 murders in Mexico, approximately 14,000 murders in the United States (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996)[4], approximately 11,000 murders in Venezuela, approximately 6,000 murders in El Salvador, approximately 1,600 murders in Jamaica[5], approximately 1000 murders in France, approximately 500 murders per year in Canada, and approximately 200 murders in Chile.[6]
     
  8. Ballard

    Ballard

    I think half the people who post in this forum should spend their time in political sites instead of ET. They never seem to write about trading. I've gone back and read numerous back threads from a few of the guys who post absurd crap here, and sure enough, almost no trading posts.
     
  9. I'll get my rope, you go find a tree.
    We'll show those bastards.
     
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    September 10, 2007

    SouthAmerica: I guess we have two new neocons who just found the Elite Trader forum - and they already want to hang people on this forum. They probably come from that area of the country where brother and sisters inter marry on a regular basis.

    You guys want trading tips - Here is my trading tip for both of you red necks - bet all your money that the US dollar is going to be very strong against the euro in the next few months and years. That would be a perfect money making strategy for both of you.

    This is a special investment tip only for these two guys - to welcome them to our forum.



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    #10     Sep 10, 2007