Genesis going down... lol what a shit-show.

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by The_Krakenite, Jan 2, 2023.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo



    The initial statement from Gemini:

    Will I lose my money in Earn?

    Our understanding is that Genesis paused withdrawals due to a liquidity issue resulting from a liquidity duration mismatch between Genesis' assets and its liabilities.

    More specifically, we understand that Digital Currency Group, Inc. (DCG) - the parent company of Genesis - owes Genesis ~$1.675 billion dollars: $1.1b in the form of a promissory note due in June 2032 and ~$575m in the form of an intercompany loan due in May 2023.

    In the wake of the FTX collapse, Genesis creditors made redemption requests that could not be met immediately due to the market turmoil and the longer timeline of the DCG liability repayments to Genesis. As a result, Genesis paused withdrawals on November 16, 2022.

    If our understanding is correct - that this is a liquidity issue (i.e., cash-flow insolvency) - then a full recovery of funds for Earn users is possible.

    If this is a Genesis balance sheet issue (i.e., balance-sheet insolvency) whereby its assets are less than its liabilities, then a loss of some amount is possible.

    We do not have an indication at this time that this is a Genesis balance sheet issue, rather a liquidity/cash-flow issue.

    [(Uhh, if the only reason they have a solvent balance sheet is because their parent company gave them a 1 year lOU in May and a 10 year IOU in June, then they really probably are functionally insolvent)]
     
  2. lwlee

    lwlee

    Ultimatum is Jan 8. If GBTC is dumped to satisfy loan, we could see $10k BTC
     
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  3. Tokenz

    Tokenz

    Shut up with that dumb prediction
     
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  4. lwlee

    lwlee

  5. M.W.

    M.W.

    Liquidity issues by their very definition only arise from the liquidation of illiquid assets. This entire space is troubled by lies, and deceit, and criminal actors.

     
  6. Tokenz

    Tokenz

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  7. lwlee

    lwlee

    YOU POOR POOR IDIOT! Jan 8th is YOUR DAY OF RECKONING! Will GBTC DUMP??!!!!

    READ THE NEWS LINK, YOU POOR BLIND B*ASTARD! OF COURSE I HAVE TO TELL YOU BECAUSE YOU COMPLETELY MISSED IT AGAIN!
     
  8. johnarb

    johnarb

     
  9. I am long Ethereum here, hold a little BTC (as it currently is). However... I feel pretty confident BTC will at a few points be forced into more forks, which is how its past has been.

    That said, I will be happy to see GBTC plummet the price of Bitcoin during a liquidation, and then I can swoop down to grab some more.

    For this reason, I MAY keep some extra powder in my TFSA for that scenario. If it passes without harm, then I'll continue buying real estate units on the cheap instead.
     
    #10     Jan 3, 2023
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