General Election 2020

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Mar 22, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Is Donald Trump starting to make an electoral comeback?
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-electoral-college/index.html

    With 53 days left before voters decide his political fate, there were stirrings Thursday that suggest the political freefall President Donald Trump has been in for months has not only ended, but that the Electoral College landscape may be starting to move back in his direction, ever so slightly.

    The big news came out of the Cook Political Report, one of the preeminent political handicapping services in the country, which moved two states -- Florida and Nevada -- in the President's direction. Florida moved from "lean Democrat" to "Toss Up," while Nevada went from "Likely Democrat" to "Lean Democrat."

    "Biden's Electoral College lead has narrowed to 279 to 187 for Trump," wrote Cook's Amy Walter of the moves. "Earlier this summer, Biden held a 308 to 187 lead."

    Also on Thursday, The Economist updated its electoral model, writing this:

    "In early June The Economist published its own statistical forecasting model for this November's presidential contest to guide such handicapping. Back then, it gave Donald Trump at best a one-in-five chance of winning a second term. But by July, as unrest and the coronavirus ravaged the nation, his odds had slumped to as low as one-in-ten. There they stayed until the middle of August. Now, our model shows Mr Trump has clawed back a sizeable chunk of support."

    All of which leads us to the question: Are we seeing the stirring of an actual Trump comeback? Or is the movement effectively a dead-cat bounce rather than a sign of an actual increased chance for Trump to beat former Vice President Joe Biden on November 3?

    That question is difficult to answer with any sort of certainty for a few reasons -- most notably that we are still 53 days from the election. And we are still in the grips of a pandemic that is projected to kill more than 400,000 Americans by the end of the year. And in the middle of a national conversation about race that has sparked protests -- peaceful and violent -- across the country. And with the least predictable or traditional person in the White House in modern American history.

    In short: The last two-ish months before an election are always chaotic and somewhat unpredictable. That goes quadruple for this election.

    But simply because we can't say anything definitive doesn't mean there's nothing to see here. And what these latest stirrings in the electoral map look like are a sort of return to normalcy in the electorate as opposed to any major movement in Trump's favor.

    Think of if this way: The electorate is like a rubber band. The dual summer crises of the death of George Floyd and the mounting death toll in the United States from coronavirus stretched that rubber band heavily in Biden's direction as voters rapidly lost confidence in the President's ability to effectively deal with the pandemic and/or direct a serious national dialogue about race and policing. All that's happened in the last month or so is that the rubber band has returned slightly closer to its normal level of tension. It hasn't begun to be stretched in Trump's direction and, in fact, it still is more in Biden's favor, although slightly less so than, say, two months ago.

    Consider that while Cook's ratings changes narrow Biden's Electoral College lead, even with Florida (and its 29 electoral votes) back in "Toss Up," Biden has 279 electoral votes in their projections. Which is nine more than he needs to be elected in November. And that while The Economist's model now gives Trump a better chance of winning than it did this summer, G. Elliott Morris, a data journalist who wrote the piece about the latest projections, noted this on Twitter:

    "Context is key tho. We give Trump less than half the chance we would have at this point in 16 if we ran the same model. The last 2 weeks (post-convention) are typically the incumbent's best of the cycle—yet polls moved modestly, if at all, and POTUS's odds are only 3 pts better."

    And there's this: Biden's lead in national polling has remained steady for months. At the moment, the CNN poll of polls pegs Biden at 51% and Trump at 43%.

    Given the deep polarization in the country -- Trump is, according to Gallup, the most polarizing president in American history -- some regression to the mean, electorally speaking, seems somewhat inevitable as Election Day draws closer. We are not a country at the moment in which a presidential candidate of either party is likely to score a massive victory.

    That's not to say that Trump can't win. He absolutely can. But it is to say that he, despite some recent movement in places like Florida and Nevada (and even Pennsylvania) in his favor, remains a clear underdog to beat Biden to 270 electoral votes. Still.
     
    #131     Sep 11, 2020
  2. He would still have to hold AZ. Some polls have shown that state becoming more blue than PA and FL since 2016. I assume if he wins FL and PA he's winning NC. Without FL or PA, Biden's only realistic path is through AZ, MI, and WI.
     
    #132     Sep 11, 2020
  3. Interestingly if Biden flips AZ, MI, and WI it's a 269-269 tie. Assuming no other states flip, Trump will have to win both NE-2 and ME-2 again or it will be thrown to the state houses.
     
    #133     Sep 11, 2020
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #134     Sep 13, 2020
  5. A lot of diverse views among the contributors at Fox.

    That's why Fox's viewership is through the roof but your networks are in the toilet.
     
    #135     Sep 13, 2020
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  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #136     Sep 17, 2020
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    :D
    One of my all time fav shows, Veep. That's exactly what happened. And then neither Selina or the other guy got 26 votes in the House because several states abstained, so it went to the Senate.

    I swear whoever wrote that show for HBO had a crystal ball. There are so many things that actually happened in the last 5 years. That show is friggin' hilarious.
     
    #137     Sep 17, 2020
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  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Turn your sets off there.
     
    #138     Sep 17, 2020
  9. exGOPer

    exGOPer

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    #139     Sep 23, 2020
  10. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    From CNBC/Change Research:

    • ARIZONA: Biden 49%, Trump 43%
    • FLORIDA: Biden 49%, Trump 46%
    • MICHIGAN: Biden 51%, Trump 43%
    • NORTH CAROLINA: Biden 48%, Trump 46%
    • PENNSYLVANIA: Biden 49%, Trump 45%
    • WISCONSIN: Biden 51%, Trump 42%
    From St. Pete Polls:

    • FLORIDA: Biden 50%, Trump 47%
     
    #140     Sep 23, 2020