GBTC

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Pekelo, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    So if I am getting this right, for an institutional investor the reason for using Greyscale is that they may not be able to own cryptos outright, but via GBTC, everything is fine and dandy, as long as you don't mind to pay an extra 40%.

    Well.... Bloomberg:

    "The biggest Bitcoin fund’s hefty markup is collapsing amid concern investors are racing for the exit amid the cryptocurrency’s plunge this week.

    The $22 billion Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (ticker GBTC) dropped over 15% this week, outpacing Bitcoin’s weekly losses of 11%. As a result, GBTC’s premium to its underlying holdings -- which swelled to 40% in December as the cryptocurrency surged -- has dropped to just 2.8%, the lowest since March 2017, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

    The magnitude of GBTC’s drop and its eroding premium suggest that investors are dumping their positions, according to WallachBeth Capital’s Mohit Bajaj.

    “When there is a big move to the downside, bids tend to drop and that premium ends up collapsing because investors are trying to get out of positions,” said Bajaj, WallachBeth’s director of ETFs. “Because of this, the arb band tightens because arbitragers are selling their hedge faster than they can unload the GBTC they are buying back in the marketplace.”

    Seres Lu, an outside spokesperson for Grayscale Investments, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Bitcoin climbed to an all-time high of nearly $42,000 earlier this month, building on 2020’s massive gains. However, the digital asset has tumbled this week, stoking worries the pace of its red-hot rally can’t be sustained.

    To Nate Geraci, president of investment advisory firm the ETF Store, the premium plunge can be attributed to a combination of Bitcoin’s sharp drawdown happening at the same time that a slew of GBTC shares exited their six-month lockup period.

    In addition, said Geraci, the trust is seeing increased competition, including from a new Bitwise product as well as one by Osprey, which charges a lower fee. “Additional competition will likely crimp demand for GBTC, putting downward pressure on any existing premium,” he said, adding that a Bitcoin exchange-traded fund could help solve the issue."
     
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  2. zghorner

    zghorner

    too bad you cant buy puts.
     
  3. BKR88

    BKR88

    Most of the institutional investors probably bought in a private placement so paid no premium.
    Even if not, the premium has only been 40% for a short periods of time. Usually 15-25% premium to NAV.
    Now that most of the premium is out, investors can buy in the open market rather than the private placement with 6 month lock-up.
     
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  4. ZBZB

    ZBZB

    Puts on microstrategy mstr are available. Bitcoin trades at an even greater premium with mstr.
     
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  5. zghorner

    zghorner

    i guess just because they are so heavily invested in BTC there stock will correlate with BTC?

    Yearly charts line up fairly well.
     
  6. ZBZB

    ZBZB

    They are selling convertible bonds and buying bitcoin. See Michael Saylor on YouTube. Bill Miller is buying the convertible bonds to get exposure.
     
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  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    If anybody wants to know how it all will end, just look at GME's chart today....
     
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  8. johnarb

    johnarb

    GME is not in the bitcoin business like Gbtc or Mstr.

    Please keep us updated with your short or puts position on Gbtc/Mstr. Mstr is releasing earnings in a couple of weeks.
     
  9. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I know, but the chart will be the same... Print it out so you would recognize it.