You make a very good point. Technically: Those who are born again and have a regenerate spirit ... or the Spirit of Christ ... Technically we are not the same type of creature as those who do not. 2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. KJV This makes them the next evolution of mankind per se and the previous is primitive in comparison. I find your comment more of a mirror judgment of your own condition. Perhaps these precepts are best illustrated in the following scriptures: Matt 7:1-6 "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. NKJV
LOL. I guess that crazy right winger has a point. If we accept homosexuality, alot of straight guys will try (and fail) to become gay because the women like it. The things we'll do for women.
So let me get this straight (no pun intended)...if its a small percentage of people that have a weird sexual desire, its because they are damaged in the brain....but if its a large group, then its nature? How come we accept one groups immoral desires as normal, but not the other? Why is one considered brain damaged and the other not. It is against the law for someone to have sex with a brain damaged or mentally impared person, so if homosexuality is brain damage or a mental imparment, then it should be against the law for them to have sex with each other, right?
Nice try,but thats not it. Its entertaining the thoughts. Just like rapists, pedophiles are the same breed. In america rapists are bred by watching alot of pornography(it not always this way, but its how the majority of rapists in america start out and many testify to this). When they are not watching porn, they are looking at every pretty girl and playing sex scenes in their head with her. This goes on for a long time usually until watching porn and using his imagination no longer quenches his desire. Then he has to go out and get it. This is what happens with pedophiles and homosexuals too (not with porn, but the thinking about it. It might start off with just thinking about it once in a while and it feeds on itself. It works the same way as one gets addicted to drugs. He might not get addicted the first time he tries it, but he thinks about how good a time he had when he did drugs...then he does it again and again and the only way to stop doing drugs is to stop thinking about them. Same with food. People who think about food all the time are usually really overweight. People who think about men all the time will end up being homosexual. Everything that we do, desire,love, hate and think comes from a choice. Sometimes we dont know where that choice comes from or why we made it. Many people do not even know they made a choice, but somewhere they made a small choice which ballooned into what it is today. Yes some homosexuals struggle with trying to change and do the right thing...but so do drug addicts. So do pathological liars. When you are in a pattern of behavior, its hard to change it. That doesnt mean its nature though. More evidence that homosexuality is a choice is that science has never found the part of the brain that would make someone homosexual by biology. With all the science and the mapping of the human genome they have not found it. Why? Because it doesnt exist.
Religious views on sexuality are as legitimate and well-founded as religious views on gravity, the flatness of the earth, the creation of the universe in 7 days, miracles, or anything else. I.e. completely irrelevant and worthless. Views founded in empirical facts and logic, testable in the real world, have validity - the rest is mostly unjustified faith-based codswallop, the same kind of crap that preaches the existence of angels, reincarnation, astrology, faith-healing, and other totally discredited unscientific bunkum. A debate about gays has nothing to do with religion. The legitimacy or otherwise of any behaviour is not altered one iota by what various creation-myths or spiritual cults have to say about it. One should no more debate Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist opinion on homosexuality than one should pay attention to what Wotan or Set or witch doctors or shamans have to say about it.
A more relevant question might be why people who refrain from using epithets like nigger, spic or kike on this message board, feel comfortable using insults based around homosexuality, and why the mods put up with it. After all, the terms and conditions specifically prohibit all of these prejudicial insults, and common decency means you should not denigrate someone with insults because of their sexuality - if you disapprove of it, and want to discuss that, it can be done without using loaded personal invective. My personal view is that it's mere cowardice. A bigot knows that he will get socially ostracized for calling people niggers, kikes, or camel-fuckers (although the latter is more accepted thanks to 9/11), and will definitely get banned here for the first two at least (for some reason racist arab-bashing is ok on ET, but bashing blacks or Jews with racial terms isn't). So he refrains out of fear of the backlash. But because this punishment doesn't happen when you call someone a fag or homo, they go right ahead and use the terms casually, as though it's acceptable. Whilst there has been progress in racism, homophobia still runs rampant in ET and broader society, and it's still seen as ok to casually demean and insult homosexuals. Just like demeaning women, insecure and bigoted individuals feel they can safely pick on those they perceive to be weaker.
Out of interest, what is wrong with it in your view? What are you main reasons for thinking it's immoral/criminal? Let's say two gay people live together and have sex exclusively with each other in private, and don't mention it to anyone without being asked, and otherwise obey the law and function as normal members of society. On what grounds do you find that sufficiently objectionable that it ought to be illegal or condemned? What harm is being done, what really gets your goat about it? Try to avoid citing biblical reasons, since obviously they won't be convincing to any non-Christians.
Or as someone put that differently Peil in the context of the Holocaust. For believers there are no questions (How could a just and merciful God allow the atrocities of the Holocaust to occur?). And for non-believers there are no answers (as to how a just and merciful God could allow such man made evil to flourish).
That's the thing, I don't judge gays. Nowhere in the Bible does it give me the authority to do that... I just don't encourage any stupid behavior, homosexuality included...