Ya just gotta love mob rule, huh? Dude.... some gays make me uncomfortable because they take the "gay" thing too far with their speach, style, etc, it all seems so forced. But so what. Their only agenda is to be totally accepted and have the same rights as you and me, including marriage. (Which I think is stupid anyway...but thats another story). Why deny them that? They have no better chance of turning me gay as you have of making Elton John straight. As I said before... sexuality is a gray scale. The only people that can be affected by religious freaks trying to force someone straight, or gays trying to force someone gay, is people somewhere in the middle of they grey scale. Either bisexual, or leaning in that direction a bit. Everyone on the bell curve should just be accepted as is, given the same rights as everyone else, and be tolerant of one another. Way too much wasted energy and hate on this subject. peace axeman
If you don't understand that the concept of marriage, since time immemorial, has meant the union of man and woman, then perhaps this whole debate is over your head. If gays want their own kind of special union, well, they can have one. Certainly nobody is stopping them from having one -- not even me, imagine that! Only, let's not call it marriage; let's not endow them with all the rights, obligations and privileges a marriage includes.
Okay axe. You want to turn a blind eye, go ahead my friend. On your bike. Leave the issues to people who actually care about what shape society takes.
AXE: ALFONSO FROM YOUR FIRST POST ----------------------------------- I think your the one who hasnt a clue what this thread is about. You rant about gay marriages and then support PM John Howard's when he comes out against gay marriages. I claim you have no right to impose rules on FREE people, and that maybe they should push against heterosexual marriage because they make THEM uncomfortable. Apparently, you dont know what your very own thread is about. I expect nothing less than from a bigoted homophobe. peace axeman
Oh noooooooooooo!!! The evil scary gays are gonna take over the world !!! What is the world coming to!?!?!?! The very fabric of our society is coming apart because charlie and dave are now butt fucking next door... ....and here is the important part....... *** WHILE WEARING WEDDING RINGS!!! **** Last week, they were NOT wearing wedding rings, but this week they are!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!! It's truly over for our wonderful society LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! peace axeman
Clueless axeman, you remain absolutely clueless. If you haven't understood by now that my issue isn't with FREE people (just how free? well that's another thread entirely) having sex with themselves, others or dogs and cats, then you're beyond help. If you haven't understood that the issue goes FAR beyond a piece of paper or a wedding band, then I'm not going to bother dignifying your buffoonery with any more replies. ps -- Are you THAT incapable of getting over the rant of my opening post? (Which was more stylistic reasons -- riliing people up often gets them to respond, thus drawing numbers to the thread).
Alfonso, Welcome to the dark side. Hope you have a thick skin, you'll need it. Imagine my shock at your position on this issue. It's interesting that the gay agenda has totally co-opted much of the traditional religious leadership in the west, with some exceptions among Catholics and evangelicals, and most of the moral leadership on this issue is coming from church leaders in the third world. I'll admit to being conflicted. I have numerous homosexual friends and acquaintances. Most of them are perfectly nice people, and it is somewhat painful to take a position they regard as odious. I believe my feelings are reflected across society, and certainly that is largely what is driving the increasing number of gay-oriented TV shows. It is harder to oppose something when you put a human face on it. And you can bet every gay on TV is noble in the extreme. My objections can be briefly stated. It is the difference between tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate homosexuality, just as I tolerate other sexual practices that are legal but not mainstream. What I don't do is accept them as normal or morally equivalent or something we want to encourage. The homosexual lobby has tried to exploit the public's tolerance and use it as a wedge to drive their militant agenda down our throat. They want the schools to indoctrinate kids that homosexual conduct is normal and morally equivalent. They want to make any criticism of homosexuality the same as advocating racial segregation. They want to enact laws and public policies that would overrule traditional religious teaching, and require people of faith to subordinate their religious faith to homosexual dogma. It has already happened in Canada. In Canada it is illegal to publicly criticize homosexuality. Is that we want here? Judging from some of the repsonses here, we are getting close to it. There has been an enormous amount of research done to isolate the "gay gene" or to somehow prove that there is an organic basis for it. All this research, much of it funded by the federal government, has failed to produce any evidence that can stand up to peer review. By contrast, there is much evidence that people can alternate between hetero- and homosexual relations at will. Of course, just because something is "natural" is no reason to approve or promote it. None of this is dispositive of the issue of marriage. Marriage should be affirmed as between a man and a woman because to do otherwise is to make homosexual relations morally equivalent to traditional relationships. We should not dismiss 3000 years of human experience and religious teaching to make a small group feel better about themselves. The "practical" reasons the gay lobby gives are insubstantial and can be handled with contracts andminor policy changes. Make no mistake, the marriage issue is totally about giving the government imprimatur of approval to homosexuality and to prevent any criticism or opposition on moral, health or religious grounds.