Gay marriages

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by alfonso, Aug 5, 2003.

  1. Yuck! How freaking, ... er.. Gay!

    What the hell is the world coming to? I just realized the other day that gay marriages are legal in Argentina. Yikes, I weep for the mother country.

    How are things in the US? For sure I bet California has legal gay marriages.

    In Australia, I may despise PM John Howard's hawkish proclivity to side with the US on every single security issue, but thank heavens he recently came out with a strong statement against gay marriages here. Phew!

    This is just plain disgusting; these faggots are taking over the world, and, it seems to me, we heteros -- thanks to mo' fo' ing liberals in our midst -- are not only letting it happen, but we're egging them on. Disastrous!
     
  2. you just made a fool of yourself. you basically just announced to ET that you have the belief system of a fucking moron. to have the viewpoint you have shows you really have a major flaw in the way you think.

    i'm gonna make a basic reply now, but if you reply back to me with any argument, i will absolutely destroy it.

    i am NOT gay or bisexual at all. i love girls as much as any guy. however, i'm not so close-minded that i do not understand where gays are coming from. the way people like you think is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand.

    i have said this before and i'll say it again. sexual attraction is not a choice. ACTING on it is a choice. YOU CAN'T DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO. you are born with an attraction. gayness may be a flaw, but it still a flaw that occurs all over the place in nature.

    a gay male likes a gay male just like i like a female. there's no thinking about it and deciding. it's just the way it is.

    now, i will say gay sex is not what nature intended. obviously, because they can't reproduce. however, you can't say it isn't natural, if a percentage of all animals are gay. nature = x% are gay.

    BACK TO YOUR ISSUE...GAY MARRIAGE.

    first of all, i think the entire concept of marriage is ridiculous. i think it comes from religion, which i think is ridiculous. we're the only animals on earth that get married. males were meant to be attracted to many females. society has created a bogus concept, stemmed from religion, which goes against nature. it's a disgrace so much of the world lives by clearly bogus religious principles.

    anyway, i don't wanna get sidetracked on religion. just know i'm against religion and marriage..they're both archaic. if people want to get married, that's fine, though.

    i 100% think there should be some type of legal recognition of a gay couple. like for hospital visitation rights, etc.

    if a specific religion only accepts a marriage of a male and female, that's for the religion to decide. however, our society should accept gay couples for legal purposes, etc.

    i will say, however, a religion that is ignorant to the reality that gays exist RAISES FLAGS THAT THE RELIGION IS EXTREMELY WEAK. all religions are inherently weak anyway, but if the bible says only a man and woman can marry, you gotta respect that, although THE RELIGION IS WEAK.

    another point i'd like to make.... our government shouldn't care if people are married or not. i'm no tax expert, but if u can get taxed differently if you're married, that should be changed immediately. what if i don't want to get married?! it's none of the government's business.

    anyone who replies to me disagreeing, i will obliterate (debating wise).

    p. s. gays WILL eventually be fully recognized under the USA law. you can try to fight it, but it will not be stopped. it is WHAT'S RIGHT.
     
  3. msfe

    msfe

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    The first men to be married celebrate in Hanover


    Wednesday, 1 August, 2001

    Germany legalises gay marriage

    The first gay couples in Germany have tied the knot after a new law came into power allowing a form of gay marriage.

    Gudrun Pannier and Angelika Baldow took their vows in Berlin to become the first couple to marry.

    "It is exciting to be the first couple and for us it is a great honour," said Ms Baldow.

    The first men off the mark were Heinz Friedrich Harre and his partner Reinhard Luechow, who were married in Hanover.

    In Hamburg, where an informal gay partnership has been allowed for two years, a "mass wedding" of 15 couples will take place attended by prominent politicians including the leader of the Green Party, Claudia Roth.

    Register offices around Germany said their switchboards were jammed with calls from gay couples.

    But there have been delays implementing the law in some parts of the country as three states attempt to overturn the legislation at the constitutional court.

    Rights and responsibilities

    Germany's version of gay marriage will give couples the same inheritance and tenants' rights as heterosexual married couples.

    A foreigner legally joined in a gay partnership to a German will also gain the right to citizenship here.

    Partners will also have a responsibility to maintain and support the other if he or she is in financial difficulties.

    But attempts to give same-sex partners the same tax and welfare benefits as those enjoyed by straight couples were defeated in the upper house of the German parliament where Chancellor Schroeder's coalition is in a minority.

    And unlike gay couples in the neighbouring Netherlands, German couples will not have the right to adopt.

    Legal battle

    The states of Bavaria, Saxony and Thueringen are still engaged in a legal battle over the partnership law, claiming that it undermines the constitutional protection of the family.

    Although an earlier ruling by the constitutional court ordered all states to implement the law pending a final decision on its constitutionality, some states have not yet done so.

    Now gay couples are taking legal action to try to force the law to be implemented.

    Despite the difficulties the legislation has faced, the gay community considers it a triumph after years of campaigning.

    Berlin Mayor Klaus Wowereit, who recently announced that he was gay, said it was "a great step forward".

    "It should cause something to be recognised as normal everywhere in Germany that was never abnormal," he said.


    German High Court OKs Gay Marriage

    http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=350
     
  4. i'd like to make another point...

    i watch the o'reilly factor a lot. i definitely do not agree with o'reilly on everything, but i do on a lot of things. one of the things i can't stand about him is this...

    he'll say how he doesn't like gay people holding hands or kissing in public because he doesn't want to have to explain it to his little kid.

    SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    o'reilly, YOU have the problem, NOT GAY PEOPLE! you're pathetic in that you don't want to simply explain to your kid that not all people are attracted to the opposite sex. what the fuck is the big deal?

    it's no secret o'reilly is religious. a lot of his weaknesses stem from his religious beliefs. let me guess, he doesn't want to talk about sex because sex is something we just don't talk about. why don't we talk about it? who would be here without it? everyone likes to fuck, but no one likes to talk about it. what a joke... adam and eve were bad (how fucking dumb is that). and they had to cover their sexual organs...why?! how pathetic............

    religion sucks...look at all the problems it has caused.
     
  5. What Vatican is saying about homosexual people is just stupid. Plain and simple. I'm not against gay, lesbian marriages, or marriage in traditional sense. I'm against the law which allow homosexual marriages to adopt children.
    http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual
     
  6. stu

    stu

    that would qualify as bisexual :D
     
  7. lol that's not how i meant it!
     
  8. Thanks for the reply Gekko. Just a tiny point, it's quite amusing to hear *you* of people tell someone he's made a fool of himself! :)

    Anyway, to the issue at hand. Let's take a look at the more poignant (ahem) segments of your tirade.

    however, i'm not so close-minded that i do not understand where gays are coming from. the way people like you think is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand.

    On the contrary Gekko dearest, I'm (generally) well aware of where they're coming from. Simply because I disapprove of gay marriage -- which is the topic, not homosexuality itself -- doesn't mean I don't understand their position.

    i have said this before and i'll say it again. sexual attraction is not a choice. ACTING on it is a choice. YOU CAN'T DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO. you are born with an attraction. gayness may be a flaw, but it still a flaw that occurs all over the place in nature.


    Oh, I've heard this 'argument' (endlessly) bandied about, to be sure. Thus far, however, I'm yet to read one convincing, conclusive scientific study that *proves* this is actually true. How do we know it's something you are BORN with and not something you DEVELOP?

    Anyway, as you say, it's "still a flaw". Well, I could quickly round up a pack of faggot lovers that would argue that it isn't a flaw, that there is nothing "unnatural" about homosexuality at all. But those "arguments" tend to ignore the very basic fact that, in terms of sexuality, homosexuals are significantly in the minority. I'll come back to that later.

    first of all, i think the entire concept of marriage is ridiculous. i think it comes from religion, which i think is ridiculous. we're the only animals on earth that get married. males were meant to be attracted to many females. society has created a bogus concept, stemmed from religion, which goes against nature. it's a disgrace so much of the world lives by clearly bogus religious principles.

    Gekko, for whatever it's worth, I find your rants against religion childish and immature and off target by a long, long shot. But that's another discussion.

    I'm no expert on this, but I don't marriage "stemmed" from religion, ie, people -- males and females -- weren't forming life long unions and raising families and then suddenly religion comes along and forces them to do it. I'd be absolutely shocked if this was the case. I think it's far more likely that marriage existed well and truly before religion got its hands on it.

    Whatever the case, you'd be hard pressed to argue that raising children under the umbrella of a health family environment or a life long loving union between man and woman are "bogus concepts". So, I might be tempted to use your own language here and say, "to have the viewpoint you have shows you really have a major flaw in the way you think."

    Now, I don't have any qualms with people being gay or any qualms with two men wanting to spend the rest of their lives together. I find such behavior disgusting -- as is my legal right to do, mind you -- but I wouldn't attempt to prevent them from doing it. (It's usually at this point that I'm labeled a "homophobe" -- a bogus, if very successful, non sequitar employed by the faggot lovers.)

    What I do have a qualm with is this behavior being promoted. Legalising gay marriage means we have to homosexuality shoved in our faces. It means we simply have to stop and accept that gays exist and not continue any research into ways that gays might be helped to become normal -- afterall, if you accept that there's nothing inherently wrong with being gay, if there's no "problem", then you sure aren't going to be bothered about finding a "solution".

    I mean, can anyone really argue that we are not ALREADY overexposed to homosexuality in the media? Come on! It's like every time I turn the TV on there's something about faggots on. Give me a break! Given their proportion of the whole population, a measley 2 or 3 percent, faggots get FAR too much air time as it is.

    Now, he's the real crux of the issue. Letting gays marry simply promotes the idea of children being raised by gay couples. Well, let's just stop here and damn minute. That's a pretty momentous break with what has been THE NORM for the past thousands and thousands of years. Let's just think about this for a minute. Just what kinds of children are going to be raised by these faggots? Are we going to have innocent, trusting children taught that homosexuality is "just a lifestyle choice", are we going to have inter-sexual experimentation encouraged BY PARENTS? What kind of values is such a society going to adopt? What are the implications for the rest of us? Call me stupid, call me alarmist, but I'm not sure I want the 2% of faggots in the world deciding for the rest of what sort of shape our society takes over coming decades. The simple fact is that recognizing gay marriage is going to have big implications further down the road. So rather than just jump on the bandwagon of whatever high and mighty, know-it-all, faggot loving liberals tell us is "good and proper", let's take a moment to think things through.

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    Furthermore, surely you can't have failed to have noticed the zeal with which liberals promote the faggot cause can you? Freakin hell, if there's EVER been an outright case of arguing better by yelling louder than this is surely it.
    Couple the liberal faggot crusade with the waning, but ever persistent, drivel emanating from militant feminists, and the traditional guy, the classic man, is left lost, lonely and longing for a place in which he can -- shock, horror, outrage -- BE A FUCKING MAN.
    I am SICK and I am TIRED of it. And I'm NOT going to shut up about it just because some liberal maggot thinks it's distasteful for a man to assert his right to BE A MAN.
     
  9. I do find it baffling that all of a sudden everyone is supposed to be fervent about the desire for homosexual marriages to become legalized right this very minute. Why is this?

    I think it resulted from the Supreme Court decision on Texas sodomy laws a couple months ago. If that's not the real explanation, please tell me (nicely) what is, because I am really rather baffled why all of a sudden this issue is supposed to be at the top of the list of personal priorities of all Americans.

    The other very peculiar thing to me is how this whole public issue seems to so completely coincide with the Church sex-abuse issue. Church sex-abuse is not a new issue, but its condemnation and prosecution by the Vatican and the legal authorities, specifically the dismissal of Bernard Law (who I never liked at all anyhow) is a new twist. And the fact that the church sex-abuse issues appear to be largely homosexual offenses (priests with boys). And on top of that the Episcopal Gay minister issue.

    I think the preoccupation of the news media with these issues currently is essentially a big stinky tampon thrown in our faces to distract us from the real issue which is why we are engaged in an imperialist occupation in oil-rich Iraq. Get all the homos and the politically correct liberal homo-sympathizers tangled up in ranting and lobbying for gay marriages, and you can syphon off their energies that they would otherwise be devoting to anti-imperialist/anti-militaristic issues at this time.

    We're KILLING people every day, for a war that was based entirely on lies, we're killing civilians, we're killing women and we're killing children, but us ADHD Americans are going to easily forget that there's anything wrong with that, while we shout ourselves blue in the face about the rightness and the necessity of pairs of humans with same genital configurations to engage in a legal contract that was designed to keep reproductive pairs of humans together in order that they could provide stable homelives to the children they bring into the world.

    And strangest of all, is the vehemence of people like John Kerry to the pope for stating simply, according to the doctrines of the church that he represents, that homosexual marriage goes against the age-old teachings and doctrines of that church and that therefor adherents of that church should not favor the reversal of society's laws on this issue.

    You may well disagree with the pope, and disagree with the teachings of the church (and with the hypocrisy of the church considering the actions of far too many priests toward children in their congregations), but you shouldn't blast John Paul II for his integrity in stating that what church doctrine has always claimed was wrong must still be considered wrong.

    p.s. Doesn't it strike you as very odd that at the SAME moment that the crimes of sex-abuse (seemingly mostly homosexual) are being exposed and condemned, that there is this big push to make the church validate homosexual unions? I don't claim to have the answers, but I sure am perplexed by all the questions.
     
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I don't want to become centrally involved in this thread, but there sure is a lot of misinformation here, such as that homosexuality is "learned", and that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing.

    Do you guys want to debate the issue or just share ignorance?
     
    #10     Aug 5, 2003