Gay Marriage

Alfonso:
>Anyway, I really think straights that support this
>ridiculous notion are quite able to see this has
>nothing to do with civil rights,

>snip<

>so there's little point talking about this for me.

You are absolutely right -- when over our objections, you believe you know what we *really* think, feel, see, etc., then there is really NO point in talking about it with us. Discussions rarely make sense when one party is convinced the other has ulterior motives.

JB

 

You really don't get it, do you?

On my previous thread I mentioned that I was a 4th Generation Californian and also someone that had spent 10 years in New York City because it shows that my opinions are coming from a life experience that is not one of being locked-away in some plain vanilla or "sheltered" demographic area.

You yourself have already stated that you do not live in our Country, and yet you appear to have everything figured out in your discussion of just what is good for all of us Americans, what is normal for us Americans and our Constitution.

Again, how difficult is it for you to understand that our Constitution was written in an effort to facilitate civil rights, not take them away. I repeat: The U.S. Constitution has never been amended to "discriminate" against a group of people . . . So why should we start amending it now?

 

"I repeat: The U.S. Constitution has never been amended to "discriminate" against a group of people . . ."

Well, that clearly is not true. The 18th ammendment to prohibit the sale of alcohol discriminated against the civil rights of alcoholics.

 

I also have to say that it is pretty funny that someone would actually see homosexuality as a threat to the American way of life, it's society, and the institution of heterosexual marriage.

First off, heterosexual couples have no problem meeting and developing relationships that lead to marriage. To say that homosexuality or same-sex marriage is a threat to the forming of heterosexual marriages is totally absurd.

Second of all, if anything, heterosexual marriages have a very difficult time staying together. Again, to say that homosexuality is the reason behind this would be absurd. I just don't see many heterosexual couples getting divorced because one of them turned out to be gay.

And finally, if you want to really try and preserve heterosexual marriage why not pass a Constitutional amendment that makes it illegal for employers to keep their employees working past 5PM, so that they can be at home with their spouse and children for dinner? Why not pass a Constitutional amdendment that makes it illegal for an employer to force its employees to work "overtime" or on weekends? Furthermore, why not make it illegal for the military and our government to send a reservist in the National Guard overseas on incredibly long deployments away from their families?

 

Marriage: Mix and Match
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Published: March 3, 2004


Shakespeare's "Othello" used to be among the hardest plays to stage in America. Although the actors playing Othello were white, they wore dark makeup, so audiences felt "disgust and horror," as Abigail Adams said. She wrote, "My whole soul shuddered whenever I saw the sooty heretic Moor touch the fair Desdemona."

Not until 1942, when Paul Robeson took the role, did a major American performance use a black actor as Othello. Even then, Broadway theaters initially refused to accommodate such a production.

Fortunately, we did not enshrine our "disgust and horror" in the Constitution — but we could have. Long before President Bush's call for a "constitutional amendment protecting marriage," Representative Seaborn Roddenberry of Georgia proposed an amendment that he said would uphold the sanctity of marriage.

Mr. Roddenberry's proposed amendment, in December 1912, stated, "Intermarriage between Negroes or persons of color and Caucasians . . . is forever prohibited." He took this action, he said, because some states were permitting marriages that were "abhorrent and repugnant," and he aimed to "exterminate now this debasing, ultrademoralizing, un-American and inhuman leprosy."

"Let this condition go on if you will," Mr. Roddenberry warned. "At some day, perhaps remote, it will be a question always whether or not the solemnizing of matrimony in the North is between two descendants of our Anglo-Saxon fathers and mothers or whether it be of a mixed blood descended from the orangutan-trodden shores of far-off Africa." (His zoology was off: orangutans come from Asia, not Africa.)

In Mr. Bush's call for action last week, he argued that the drastic step of a constitutional amendment is necessary because "marriage cannot be severed from its cultural, religious and natural roots without weakening the good influence of society." Mr. Roddenberry also worried about the risks ahead: "This slavery of white women to black beasts will bring this nation to a conflict as fatal and as bloody as ever reddened the soil of Virginia."

That early effort to amend the Constitution arose after a black boxer, Jack Johnson, ostentatiously consorted with white women. "A blot on our civilization," the governor of New York fretted.

In the last half-century, there has been a stunning change in racial attitudes. All but nine states banned interracial marriages at one time, and in 1958, a poll found that 96 percent of whites disapproved of marriages between blacks and whites. Yet in 1997, 77 percent approved. (A personal note: my wife is Chinese-American, and I heartily recommend miscegenation.)

Mr. Bush is an indicator of a similar revolution in views — toward homosexuality — but one that is still unfolding. In 1994, Mr. Bush supported a Texas antisodomy law that let the police arrest gays in their own homes. Now the Bushes have gay friends, and Mr. Bush appoints gays to office without worrying that he will turn into a pillar of salt.

Social conservatives like Mr. Bush are right in saying that marriage is "the most fundamental institution in civilization." So we should extend it to America's gay minority — just as marriage was earlier extended from Europe's aristocrats to the masses.

Conservatives can fairly protest that the gay marriage issue should be decided by a political process, not by unelected judges. But there is a political process under way: state legislatures can bar the recognition of gay marriages registered in Sodom-on-the-Charles, Mass., or anywhere else. The Defense of Marriage Act specifically gives states that authority.

Yet the Defense of Marriage Act is itself a reminder of the difficulties of achieving morality through legislation. It was, as Slate noted, written by the thrice-married Representative Bob Barr and signed by the philandering Bill Clinton. It's less a monument to fidelity than to hypocrisy.

If we're serious about constitutional remedies for marital breakdowns, we could adopt an amendment criminalizing adultery. Zamfara, a state in northern Nigeria, has had success in reducing AIDS, prostitution and extramarital affairs by sentencing adulterers to be stoned to death.

Short of that, it seems to me that the best way to preserve the sanctity of American marriage is for us all to spend less time fretting about other people's marriages — and more time improving our own.

 

If we're serious about constitutional remedies for marital breakdowns, we could adopt an amendment criminalizing adultery. Zamfara, a state in northern Nigeria, has had success in reducing AIDS, prostitution and extramarital affairs by sentencing adulterers to be stoned to death.


Sounds like such a stupid idea I wouldn't doubt that BUshee would be into it.

 

The fray intensifies. Portland is conducting same gender marriages. Ha, ha you conservative cowards, tommorow your fake godly societty will be gone. HA HA HA HA....HA!

"Chickenshit Conformists" J. Biafra




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For the men....
That place back there is used for one purpose.......

and for the women....
it is better to receive

Michael B.

 

Men and women have anal sex glands. How do you suppose they evolved to be?



Use /Disuse


We were androgenous beings before all preembryos have penises?


In other words, you're nearly female. And that's in addition to the fact that your girlfriend and your mother both at one time had cocks.




Better ask your homophobic god or read a book if don't believe me, but I'd guess that your illogical mind would choose the third option, stick a mirror up your ass!


"Don't look at my bumb you silly bumb looker." -Simon