Gamma scalping:what volatility are you trading?

Discussion in 'Options' started by bologeorge, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Let me give you an example. Suppose stock x moves within a range for a month, everyday the close price range from 99 to 101, the volatiliy based on daily closed price is quite low. But in this period, the highest and lowest price may be 110 and 90. So the volatility based on minute price is much higher.

    So when you do the gamma scalping, you will make much more profit if you hedge the delta every minute instead of do it daily. This is what I want to say.

    Yes I totally agree that shorting gamma is a better strategy. And I had discovered that you can do it with vix futures. That is the simplest way that you have no delta risk at all.
     
    #41     Oct 21, 2012
  2. morant

    morant

    Just a one case. Another - is large movements. Imagine a 5% drop. You will hedge every one minute and will not collect any substantial gamma. Other person will one rehedge at the end of the day and collect huge profit.

    Market is balanced. You s trying to prove that doing "A" is better than "B" because if there will be scenario "a" - "A" will behave much better. That's not a way to profit :)
     
    #42     Oct 21, 2012
  3. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    I see what you are saying, but I doubt there are any opportunities here. On such continous disrepancies as in your example, people will price it in amazingly fast.

    VIX futures are an option. They have massive contango, an edge for the short vol trader. I would never trade long VIX futures. Look at VXX vs XIV to see this.
     
    #43     Oct 21, 2012
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Vix futures definitely have delta risk. Spot goes down, vix goes up.
     
    #44     Oct 21, 2012
  5. That's not necessarily true. If spx goes down in a slow way, vix will probably stay same. In general vix has a negative correlation with spx, but that's not a strict delta relationship.
     
    #45     Oct 21, 2012
  6. Yes that's true. But in most time the market has a mean reverting characteristics. In a trending market gamma scalping doesn't work.
     
    #46     Oct 21, 2012
  7. No, that's not a continous thing. If the stock is moving in a strong trend you will get opposite results.

    I will not hold vix futures for long time. But if I'm pretty sure there will be a burst in volatility, I will try to hold it for a short period.
     
    #47     Oct 21, 2012
  8. sle

    sle

    I would certainly hope that you get different vol for different periods - e.g. you should be getting lower volatility weekly then daily. At the limit, think of tick-level volatility - as the price bounces between the bid/ask, your volatility would be much higher then daily.
     
    #48     Oct 21, 2012
  9. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Well, my vola formulas are all annualized so I get the same figures accross. I should have spesified. But yes obviously daily vola will be quite different from weekly vola and so on. Haven't been dealing with any of these formulas in months, most of my stuff is now automated...can't wait till it breaks and I've forgotten how it all works, hah
     
    #49     Oct 21, 2012
  10. Y/D Close vs Day High ( or Low) is 1.5 times --> Y/D Close vs Close
     
    #50     Oct 21, 2012