Gambling Pure and Simple

Discussion in 'Journals' started by wannabehftrader, Apr 10, 2005.

  1. Here are my stats up to close 4/18/05
    All the stats having commisions already factored in. these are net results not gross.

    Days traded: 20

    Roundtrip trades: 94

    Win trades: 57 60.64%

    Lose trades: 29 39.36%

    avg $ per win trade $325.53

    avg $ per lose trades $(984.94)

    total win $ $18,555.48

    total lose $ $(28,563.34)


    Gain.Loss $(10,007.86)
    I should have stats uptodate by tomorrow
    :mad: :(
     
    #61     Apr 28, 2005
  2. yeayo

    yeayo

    I think trading requires more support than any other profession and that's the toughest thing for most traders, they don't have support they need either from the wife, parents, or from experienced traders. Good luck to you.
     
    #62     Apr 28, 2005
  3. Made an error on the stats

    Here is corrected parts

    lose trades: 37 39.36%

    avg $ lose per trade $(771.98)


    I had a bad formula, it is fixed now
     
    #63     Apr 28, 2005
  4. Daily net P and L

    21-Mar $537.06
    22-Mar $(2,199.47)
    23-Mar $(1,078.42)
    24-Mar $(2,649.21)
    28-Mar $(4,941.25)
    29-Mar $449.81
    30-Mar $-
    31-Mar $3,941.20
    1-Apr $(3,926.63)
    4-Apr $(1,028.48)
    5-Apr $1,095.46
    6-Apr $218.70
    7-Apr $20.64
    8-Apr $-
    11-Apr $42.43
    12-Apr $(3,588.86)
    13-Apr $(726.54)
    14-Apr $2,405.31
    15-Apr $433.77
    18-Apr $986.62
     
    #64     Apr 28, 2005
  5. Thanks yeayo
    No support here from friends or family:mad:
    But, I will make it happen.:)
     
    #65     Apr 28, 2005
  6. empee

    empee

    wannabe,

    i remember being in your shoes. Whats your money management system, for example after you lose x% of your account do you downsize until you get x% back etc? remember, if you lose 1/2 you have to double your money just to get to breakeven. Its a question of tuition, how much do you want to pay. Why not looking at as having the RIGHT to trade? You haven't EARNED the right to trade size because you aren't profitable yet. Kinda like getting your degree in college you had to do all the classes first..

    also the problem with concentrating all your size in 1 positioin is what if you are short and it comes out that the company is being acquired for 2x the price you were short at?

    statistically, big traders and smaller traders never make money. Small traders never risk enough to make anything and big traders usually make a ton till that '1' event happens and blows up everything.

    Consider medium sized bets.

    also, something that might help. You either need a HIGH win ratio or good reward/risk. For example, since I swing trade I look for 1:5 odds and I'm usually right at least 40% time (choppy market) and 70-80% in trending markets. Either way I make money, just a question of how fast.

    If you are intraday scalping, the only successful ones I've seen are ones with high win loss ratio and inverted risk reward ratio. Ie they are right 80% of the tiem but their losses are 2x their wins. So, in that case they are just right very often.

    Anyway, please consider these two things they helped me ALOT and don't want you tohave to learn these the hard way!

    This is just my opinion so best of luck.
     
    #66     Apr 28, 2005
  7. empee

    empee

    i posted this in the other thread but it seems more applicable here...
     
    #67     Apr 28, 2005
  8. I agree empee that is why i have sized down big time.
    As of the 18 of april i was winning 60 percent of the time but that was not enough to get me profitable because of the large losses i have taken.
    So for the last week i have been selecting only sure fire trades in my system with very little risk(small lots) and i have been doing very well. When i get everything uptodate I will start gradually increasing the size.
    Thx for the input.:)
     
    #68     Apr 28, 2005
  9. John47

    John47

    I'm with the other poster...I'm really not sure why you are trading so big when your strategy appears to have some problems. A 10k drawdown is nothing to sneeze at.
     
    #69     Apr 28, 2005
  10. john i have sized down big time, the results i have posted are up till the 18th close.
    but yes i got to big into a few stocks where i couldn't get out without affecting the stock price:(
     
    #70     Apr 29, 2005