Futures spread trading

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by Lucias, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. How about “transitory equilibrium”?

    - Or -

    “That thing that price should move around faster than that thing moves itself”.
     
    #261     Jan 16, 2012
  2. bone

    bone

    Most of the profitable Chicago prop futures traders I have met the past twenty years do it all the time. By the time you pay the vigorish, the desk fees, the commissions, split those net profits with the house ( your backers ), and then pay the IRS at normal tax rates because you get paid as an employee on a W-2 - well, if you didn't accomplish those metrics then you couldn't bank anything. I'll say it again - every successful Chicago prop futures trader does that kind of metrics.
     
    #262     Jan 16, 2012
  3. Not sure that's the term I'd use...

    More like distribution of possible future "fair values". If you're able to locate areas where there's too much or too little "weight" vs a "reasonable" forecast, that's edge.
     
    #263     Jan 17, 2012
  4. pbylina

    pbylina

    Why are eurodollars so popular in spread trading? Are they mainly Calendar spreaded?
     
    #264     Jan 17, 2012
  5. 'Cause a) Eurodollars are super liquid; b) the relationships are more intuitive than other spreads; c) have reasonably liquid option markets available; d) offer the right amount of uncertainty that a market can actually meaningfully exist; and e) there's a whole lot of contracts, so you can form all sorts of multi-legged strategies.
     
    #265     Jan 17, 2012
  6. bone

    bone

    As Martin so eloquently stated, Eurodollars are a spread trader's wet dream.

    There must be thousands of different calendar combinations when you consider not only simple pairs, but flys and condors ad infinitum. You can also spread them against cash or Treasury futures, and they make fine hedging vehicles for all sorts of strategies including forward corporate financing risk and swaps market-making. Again, flexibility to the extreme.

    Note that the vast majority of all corporate credit finance structures are typically quoted against LIBOR.

    The CME website is chock full of very good educational white papers on the topic. Enjoy.
     
    #266     Jan 17, 2012
  7. bone

    bone

    As we speak, the entire 2012 strip is like 20-40K on the best bid and likewise offered in terms of the exchange supported simple pair calendar spreads.
     
    #267     Jan 17, 2012
  8. pbylina

    pbylina

    How high of a correlation do you look for? If there 100% correlated the there is no opportunities right? What is sharpe ratio?
     
    #268     Jan 18, 2012
  9. Even if something moves exactly inline with something else, there can still be a bid/ask spread to capture.
     
    #269     Jan 18, 2012
  10. bone, what are your thoughts on spreads trades like Corn vs. Denatured Fuel Ethanol? Chart attached.
     
    #270     Feb 24, 2012