Futures spread trading

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by Lucias, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. bone

    bone

    Drawdowns are random from what I can tell.

    I try to keep my clients from replicating forward curve exposure in the same market sector: in other words, being long the TuF and long the NoB and long GE Z2-Z4 simultaneously for example.

    Or being short ZW Z1-Z2 and being short ZC Z1-Z2 simultaneously would be another example. In those cases, I want my clients to choose the best set-up in terms of the model and risk/reward skew.

    I haven't gotten involved with any Martingale strategies. In terms of capitalization - the volatility and trading range of the individual spread dictates the leverage and sizing.

    Good stuff, great topics to discuss.
     
    #141     Aug 1, 2011
  2. rose

    rose

    I'd be very interested in learning more about this approach. I've had a stab at doing it - I've picked some Brent flies as that is my main market.

    I picked a time frame where this particular market seemed to mean revert well - ZHM Brent since May 1st this year, chart is here:

    http://quotes.esignal.com/esignalpr...chart.bardensity=LOW&x=53&y=13&chart.studies=

    So by eye, and from trading it, I think it's range bound and am happy to scale buy from -17 and scale sell from -6. I started off by running a Dickey-Fuller test on the data. There were 59 observations (daily closing prices), t-stat was -1.68 and as that was greater than the 2%, 5% and 10% critical values it means I cannot reject the hypothesis that there is a unit root.

    So far I think that means statistically it seems to be mean reverting, it's then up to judgement etc. to check that there is a logical reason behind it - which I believe there is. The R-Square value was only 0.04 - that is very low - but then I'm not sure it is relevant.

    What would be the next step? Do I run another regression model on the components of the fly? Is it sensible to run a linear regression of the HM spread vs the ZH spread? Should I run a multiple regression model of the individual legs?

    I trade flies a lot, and would really like to explore a more rigorous approach such as the one described above.

    I think this fly (ZHM Brent) could be an interesting study, below is the same market but with the time frame opened out - obviously February and March began with some painful divergence!

    http://quotes.esignal.com/esignalpr...rt.bardensity=MEDIUM&x=53&y=11&chart.studies=


    Any and all help appreciated!
     
    #142     Aug 1, 2011
  3. Will reply to this fully later.

    In the mean time .. the distribution of the residuals, and the fitting of an AR model is .. interesting .. and I think, perhaps where the juice is.

    The rest is just "work" by comparison, no?
     
    #143     Aug 2, 2011
  4. I'll be back a bit later to discuss, gents...
     
    #144     Aug 2, 2011
  5. + something along the lines of simple variance ratio tests .. to identify potential reversion timeframes .. occasionally finding several .. with different means .. for the same combination of instruments .. :eek: ..
     
    #145     Aug 2, 2011
  6. rose

    rose

    This is something that happens in energy at least, you can have the same strategy and have one range for intraday jobbing, and another range for longer term positions, bias is pretty much always going to be the same, but there are opportunities - obviously if you get caught out there are problems.
     
    #146     Aug 2, 2011
  7. "obviously if you get caught out there are problems."

    unless you only enter the shorter term trades in the direction of the longer term bias? :p
     
    #147     Aug 2, 2011
  8. rose

    rose

    Ha, yeah - that's the idea - the problem is that a short term trade has morphed into a long term trade at a rubbish level, and it may hamper your appetite for the trade etc. at least it gives you something to job around :)
     
    #148     Aug 2, 2011
  9. Trader13

    Trader13

    I'm hardly a veteran of spread trading flies, but I really like the concept of mean reversion trading when you can find the right setup. Expanding your chart to a longer timeframe reveals that this energy spread has some wide excursions from the mean for several months during the past year. Going with the principle that your trading time frame should be proportional to your risk tolerance, I would trade this market on an intraday basis, perhaps using 30 - 60 min bars.
     
    #149     Aug 3, 2011
  10. bone

    bone

    You have to be very careful and really do your scouting in terms of trading flys and condors on a HF basis - the slippage will eat you alive. Look at the actual order books for the individual legs in lieu of the charts (there is a latency artifact in the charts for the last print versus the actual bid and offer in the lower volume legs - makes the trading range appear larger than it really is).
     
    #150     Aug 4, 2011