Futures Account Protection

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by Ripley, Nov 5, 2005.

  1. Is there something similar to FDIC in futures, where they will insure my account up to $100,000 from a possible bankrupty.

    And what should I look for in a Futures Brokerage to estimate their long term solvency.

    I am worried because almost most Futures Brokers are fly by the night kind of operations. Ex: Transact Futures, Lions Futures, Alaron, AMT Futures, and who knows when one of them will declare bankruptcy and take my account down with them.
     
  2. CONR

    CONR

    Alaron fly by night? Hmmm.:confused:
     
  3. If you have a futures trading account, it takes more than just a broker bankruptcy to cause you a loss. The only way you can get whacked in a futures broker bankruptcy is if public customer funds are embezzled, or if other public customers have uncovered trading losses, larger than the broker's capital cushion in excess of customer deposits. If this happens, then all public customers will take a pro rata haircut, somewhere between 0% and 100%, whatever is required to cover whatever losses are not covered by consuming the broker's assets.

    If a futures broker does go bankrupt, it is very likely that this will happen, either because customer deposits are embezzled, or because customers have such large trading losses, that they blow out the broker's capital. Both of these problems happened at Refco futures, but bankruptcy was avoided by unlawfully concealing the deficit, transferring it to another entity, and then engaging in other fraudulent schemes. This coverup unravelled and sent most Refco entities into bankruptcy, but becaue the deficit was no longer on the Refco futures entity's books, the Refco futures entity did not go bankrupt and survives to this day.

    Consider opening a futures trading account at a Canadian broker, because the Canadians have deposit insurance which, unlike FDIC and SIPC, does cover futures trading accounts.

    Also consider using a broker, like Interactive Brokers, which has three levels of protection mostly not provided by other brokers. First, every night, any of your funds, in excess of futures margin requirements, are swept into a securities account for which you earn interest and receive SIPC coverage for up to $500,000 in securities and up to $100,000 in cash. Second, IB has much more rigorous risk control, and also has greater capital relative to its risk exposure, than do most other brokers, so it is less likely to bankrupt. Third, Interactive Brokers has a private insurance policy from Lloyds of London, giving you up to $29.5 million coverage for securities and $900,000 coverage for cash, but the total payout for all customers combined is limited to $150 million, to be pro-rated if necessary. Maybe other futures brokers can provide competitive protections; do your research.

    Check the regulatory history of futures brokers with NFA and CFTC. If there is a history of failing to meet regulatory capital requirements, or of cooking the books, or of embezzling customer funds, as with Refco since they were fined for doing it repeatedly in 1994, then reject that broker. Look for a broker with an extra capital cushion and private insurance coverage to enable it to avoid or to mitigate bankruptcy. Extra capital is more important than private insurance coverage, because in a black swan market event, insurers may bankrupt and be unable to pay their promised coverage; but the broker's capital is money in the bank.

    You are quite correct to worry about fly-by-night brokers. I would definitely encourage you to worry.

    And don't even think about trading retail spot FX, except maybe at IB, if their insurance coverage applies (you should ask them).
     
  4. You can also buy T-Bills. The broker is required to keep them in a segregated account. Also, pull excess money out on a regular basis and open multiple accounts. I have 3 different accounts. None of them are big enough to cause me lots of trouble if the broker fails.

    43yotrader
     
  5. JayS

    JayS

    Alaron has been around for 16+ years and owns the building they HQ in downtown Chicago. Hardly fly by night. You need to do more research before you spout off.
     




  6. Excellent advice


    Also when choosing a clearing firm, stick with one that has been around for a long time and that is adequately capitalized.


    http://www.rcgdirect.com/newRCG/AboutRCG.htm


    RCG boasts the strongest financial position of any independent FCM. With over $54 million in firm capital and $26 million of capital in excess of regulatory requirements, customers take comfort in our solid capitalization.
     
  7. My opinion: T-bills won't protect you against futures broker bankruptcy. If the broker bankrupts, with uncovered public customer losses due to trading or embezzlement, then your T-bills will be sold, and the proceeds thrown into the kitty for pro-rata distribution to all public customers, so that all public customers share equally in the loss. T-bills won't help you avoid the pro-rata distribution. See http://www.cme.com/clearing/set/fs/finsafsys10241.html.

    But I think that you are correct that diversifying your credit risks, by spreading your assets across multiple brokers, reduces your risks.
     
  8. def

    def Interactive Brokers

    Your statement that RCG boasts the strongest financial position of any independent FCM is incorrect. The latest posting of FCM data shows Interactive Brokers LLC net capital as over $163 million in firm capital and $150+ million in excess of regulatory capital.
     
  9. saxon

    saxon

    Umm...I would say that Refco has invalidated this strategy.
     
  10. Here is one more thing you should deserving careful thought. If a futures trading firm is offering very low margin requirements, like $500 for e-minis, then WATCH OUT. This means they have weak risk control, like Refco, and so they are much more likely to go bankrupt during a black swan market event.
     
    #10     Nov 6, 2005