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# Fun with Fibonacci!

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by deronwagner, Aug 30, 2002.

1. ### deronwagner

Given the recent discussion on Fibo that has been taking place here, I thought it may be of interest to repost a short article that my partner and I wrote on Fibonacci about a year ago. It discusses how Fibonacci applies to nature, as well as the basic mathematics of Fibo. We use Fibonacci every day to determine stop losses and price targets on our ETF swing trades because we have found that Fibonacci charts better with indexes than with individual stocks. Here's the article, hope you enjoy it:

Leonardo de Pisa de Fibonacci & Fibonacci Theory

The great Fibonacci was a 13th century Italian Mathematician, who among other things, brought the Western world the Arabic/Decimal system, an explanation of the mathematics contained within the Great Pyramids of Giza, and the Fibonacci Summation series. Of course, we are most interested in the Fibonacci Summation series and its importance to predicting price movements in the markets.

Fibo here, Fibo there, Fibonacci everywhere!

Fibonacci numbers and ratios are everywhere. The human body has 2 arms, 2 legs and 1 head which total 5, a Fibonacci number. Humans also have 5 senses. The ear is a perfect Fibonacci (Golden) Spiral. The eyes are located exactly 50% from the top of the head while the nose is approximately 61.8% from the top of the head (both Fibonacci Ratios). Artists have known and used this knowledge for centuries.

Furthermore, the nautilus shell, galaxies and sub atomic crystals have been found to be perfect Fibonacci (Golden) spirals. On many types of trees and plants, the branches grow in a spiral fashion. This phenomenon is known as spiral phyllotaxis.
The important point to be made here is that the Golden Ratio and Fibonacci numbers exist everywhere in our universe.

Order out of Chaos: The Fibonacci Summation Series

The Fibonacci Summation Series is derived by: 1) Taking any two numbers and adding them together to get a third number, 2) Then adding the 3rd number (next) number in the sequence to the number before it to get the 4th (next) number in the sequence and so on. It can be illustrated as follows: 0+1 =1, 1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+2=5, 5+3=8, 8+5=13. Therefore the basic sequence would like this: 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233. To mathematicians, this additive series is based on the equation: Phi +1 = Phi squared. What is absolutely fascinating about this sequence is that if you take any number in the sequence and divide it by the number after it in the sequence (after 8 additions or sequences), you always get the ratio .618. Along the way to deriving the ratio .618, you will get a sequence of numbers that oscillate around .618 (the first ratio just a bit lower than .618 and the next ratio in the sequence just a bit higher than .618). This oscillation around .618 is mathematically important to understanding the wave like oscillations found in the expansions and contractions in the markets! Further, if you take any number in the sequence (after the 8th sequence) and divide it by the number before it in the sequence, the resulting ratio is 1.618. The number 1.618 is know in geometry as the Golden Ratio and is denoted by the Greek letter phi. To avoid getting too complicated, suffice it to say that the Golden Ratio is an important number in geometry and from it can be derived the Golden Rectangle and a Golden Spiral which can further be related to geometric characteristics of stock charts as we will soon see. Itâs now time to see how Fibonacci ratios inter-relate.

Below is a recent daily chart of the Dow that perfectly illustrates how deadly accurate Fibonacci can be when applying it to predicted price movements:

The black circles you see represent where the Fibonacci lines were drawn from. The orange circles illustrate how the retracement (rally) off the lows stopped upon running into Fibonacci resistance levels. Notice how the rally stopped twice upon running into the 0.318 level and topped out upon rallying into the 0.50 level. In general, I have found the 50% level to be important because it often indicates a change in trend. In this case, DIA never made it beyond 50% off the lows, which indicates the downtrend has not yet been broken.

When I went long at the end of July, I used the 0.318 and 0.50 retracement levels as targets to take profits on long positions. You can also use retracement levels for setting stop losses on shorter time frames as well. Pretty cool, isn't it?

We could start an entire thread on how to draw the Fibonacci lines, but suffice it to say you want to draw the lines from either the high of the most recent rally to the low of the selloff OR from the low of the selloff to the high of the rally. The direction you draw the lines depends on whether the index is in an uptrend or downtrend. Bear in mind that the longer the time frame, the more accurate Fibonacci will be. In addition, you can also use multiple time frames to look for Fibonacci convergence, which is even more powerful.

2. ### Sarasota

Good article, but I am getting tired of all the fib talk. Fibs work. Some people swear by them, some people don't. There are about 100 active threads right now on the topic. Same info discussed in all. Some with good real time examples, some people still dissing it, etc.

I have a headache.

3. ### Brutus

I haven't been following all the fib talk ... maybe this has been said before ...

I understand how the number .618 is derived but what about the .50 and .318 numbers?

Brutus

4. ### Sarasota

.618 squared equals .382.

The square root of .618 is .786
The reciprocal of .786 is 1.272
The reciprocal of .618 is 1.618
The reciprocal of .382 is 2.618

.382, .618, .786, 1.272, 1.618, and 2.618

.50, 1.00, and 2.00 are not fib numbers.

5. ### ArchAngel

Something to consider though - the Fibs aren't markedly different from the simple 1/8ths that Gann promoted

.375 vs. .382
.625 vs. .618
.75 vs. .786

etc.

Since neither always produce exact results and the margin of difference is pretty small, who's to say which (if either) is the more relevant?

6. ### deronwagner

I just noticed that my article and chart show 0.318 for a fib retracement level. That SHOULD say 0.382, NOT 0.318. Sorry about that.

7. ### Sarasota

My trading is 90% Gann based, and 10% fib based, FWIW.

8. ### Gordon Gekko

i think i have a good question here..

for those that use fibs, gann, etc. would you say that the fib/gann signals are what makes your trading work, or is it because the signals give you a clear direction and you apply your trade management techniques to it?

that might sound confusing, so i'll put it another way.

if you were given another type of entry and exit system that was crystal clear. could you apply your trade management system to it and trade profitably using that as well? what i'm wondering is, is it the fib/gann stuff itself, or is it the fact that it provides CLEAR DIRECTION in which to act?

thanks

9. ### Yannis

Deron,

If you are swing-trading with Fibonacci as one of your guides, take a look at OmniTrader.

Not only does the system make it very easy to plot the Fib levels anywhere, but their new exit management feature (which they call "the eighths tool") is directly based on Fibonacci theory.

Just a thought. I don't work for them (I only work for my wife ) but I am a relatively happy (occasional) user of that system.

10. ### J Shepherd

Targets can be projected by measuring the sloping line from the top of the chart pattern to the bottom of the pattern and if the retracement is .618 of the the sloping line . 80% of the time,the pattern will continue in the same direction and produce a target at the same length size as the above sloping line, and in some cases the target will be 1.27 times the above sloping line.This works on the DOW and the FTSE100.

#10     Sep 15, 2002
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