Fully Automated Stocks Trading

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  1. mhparker

    mhparker

    Or 200% up when you're short...
    This has been the year of amplified moves in specific names.
    10% position sizes used to feel conservative, now 5% barely does so.
     
    #451     Nov 24, 2021
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  2. yc47ib

    yc47ib

    I cannot help but notice this is a new stock. Depending on your strategy, maybe avoid trading new stocks with limited trading history thus limited support/resistance strength to lean on?
     
    #452     Nov 25, 2021
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  3. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    The type of stock was intentional. The point of the post was - you can do everything right and still have outsized loss. They should be expected and will happen if trading long enough. For multiple reasons, and this one is not a bad one.

    When I look at this particular loss - nothing to learn from that really, my logic goes like this
    1. Did you expect that to happen at some point? Yes. I expect 100% loss on longs at some point.
    2. After that happen do you feel bet size was too much? No.
    3. Does that put a system outside of it's expected parameters? No.
     
    #453     Nov 25, 2021
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  4. traider

    traider

    How big was the position as a portion of your portfolio at trade initiation? Was there a hedge and did it work?
     
    #454     Nov 25, 2021
  5. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    ~5%. My hedge is running multiple systems of different nature. 5 on that account. 2 of them are short. They have compensated more than enough to cover that particular loss. Those systems are not designed to be just the hedge, they are profitable on their own, plus serve as a hedge. All my short systems are up this year and probably constitute to about 50% (might be more) of profits. I'll check closer to the end of the month to get more accurate numbers.

    Here is a chart I posted in a past to demonstrate how that normally works. Red line is one of my short systems and blue one is long. It is pretty much an ideal scenario when they are both making money as well as hedging. This is what I aim for, but I don't expect that to be true every single time in the future.

    PS. Those are life equity curves, not a backtest.

    Long and Short example.png
     
    #455     Nov 25, 2021
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  6. Craig66

    Craig66

    So you've already been trading in Dec 2021? That is impressive.
     
    #456     Nov 25, 2021
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    Good SEPT blue line longs\ most of my longs were down SEPT except for some profit taking....................................................................................................Its sell monday , buy monday/NOV / 29\2021.
    I wouldn't use his exact language, but bunker Hunt said buying silver, stocks, + running a oil co/ ''any fo*l can run a printing press''
     
    #457     Nov 29, 2021
  8. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    The graph's starting point is 2020 as indicated by X axis. I don't remember what my longs did in Sept 2021 except that it was a slightly profitable month. Will take a look when doing my end of month routine in couple of days.
     
    #458     Nov 29, 2021
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    I like line charts, almost as much as candle charts. I use red, purple for sells\ green+ blue black hollow for monthly buys...........................................................................[Edit\ i meant hollow candles ,blue or black for buys, prefer kids crayons , doesnt bleed thru like my sharper highlighters:D:D:caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution:,:caution::caution:]Some times use orange for sells.......
     
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    #459     Nov 29, 2021
  10. I have seen if now so many experienced traders looking forward to using automatic trading using the algorithmic trading setup, one advantage of using automatic trading is all orders executed by a machine, I am also trying to use the automatic trading robot on forex and choose EURUSD as major pair, but i don't trade on stocks.
     
    #460     Nov 29, 2021
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