Fully automated futures trading

Discussion in 'Journals' started by globalarbtrader, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Hi Quiet1, can you please describe the serious risk I have taken? The only risk I can see that I've taken is potentially being overexposed to VX. Do you think that I am dangerously exposed to VX? Thanks.
     
    #911     Aug 23, 2017
  2. truetype

    truetype

    If you're unsure whether you're overexposed, chances are you are.
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2017
    #912     Aug 23, 2017
  3. Quiet1

    Quiet1

    5 Vix contracts is $5000 per VIX point and about $55000 in initial margin currently. If VIX futures had a small crash to say 23 you would be seriously down on your account, possibly even automatically stopped out by your broker due to an increase in margin requirement.

    And that's just a bad outcome not the worst case scenario. You can't look at VIX as a normal futures market. It does not matter that the biggest 1 day rise in history was X%, you should be comfortable with VIX rising maybe 50 to 100% more than it ever has before. Basically you need to ensure that it's virtually impossible for the market to wipe you out. As it is, it's quite easy to imagine fairly plausible scenarios where your account loses 50%++ by large but not catastrophic geopolitical events.
     
    #913     Aug 23, 2017
  4. Thanks for that explanation, Quiet1. Based on what you say, I fear that I may have some error in my implementation of the system inspired by GAT's system, given that it has called for me holding 5 short VX on a $130k account at 30% volatility. I think I may have to liquidate, and revert to paper trading the system, until I see where my error is. Thanks for the warning.
     
    #914     Aug 23, 2017
  5. tradrjoe

    tradrjoe

    It sounds like you have not even done a proper backtest yet. Do not jump straight into the trading a system live until you have tested all your rule implementation against historical data. A bug in your code can wipe out your account
     
    #915     Aug 23, 2017
  6. I hope I'm not hijacking this thread. If so, please let me know.

    To summarize, I am using a lot of GAT's excellent open source code to run my system. I am using 8 instruments, with $130K, running at 30% volatility: Vix, Nasdaq, Leanhogs, GBP, Platinum, US2, Eurodollar, GAS_US.

    Here is the backtest with a sharpe of .82, and some other statistics. The annual returns assume a constant capital of $130K.

    Sharpe: 0.8237007586663045
    [[('min', '-35.16'), ('max', '38.82'), ('median', '-0.0001634'), ('mean', '0.1124'), ('std', '2.182'), ('skew', '-0.4452'), ('ann_mean', '28.76'), ('ann_std', '34.92'), ('sharpe', '0.8237'), ('sortino', '1.04'), ('avg_drawdown', '-19.87'), ('time_in_drawdown', '0.9454'), ('calmar', '0.3123'), ('avg_return_to_drawdown', '1.448'), ('avg_loss', '-1.256'), ('avg_gain', '1.524'), ('gaintolossratio', '1.213'), ('profitfactor', '1.176'), ('hitrate', '0.4922'), ('t_stat', '5.421'), ('p_value', '6.044e-08')], ('You can also plot / print:', ['rolling_ann_std', 'drawdown', 'curve', 'percent', 'cumulative'])]
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    Would be interested in your thoughts. Thanks.
     
    #916     Aug 23, 2017
  7. tradrjoe

    tradrjoe

    What is the max drawdown historically?

    Even on the annual returns level, you can see that 2005-2007 would have almost wiped you out
     
    #917     Aug 23, 2017
  8. This is exactly what I meant with one of my earlier replies to you.
     
    #918     Aug 23, 2017
  9. I'll have to take a look at how to derive max historical drawdown.

    I am willing to accept the risk of that 77% drawdown that you noted, given the potential upside of +20% annual returns. I have my other capital in etfs, and all of this is meant for retirement which is maybe 30 years away.
     
    #919     Aug 24, 2017
  10. H2O

    H2O

    Are you prepared to top up your capital for 3 consecutive years (2005-2007)? As per your earlier post, you would have to increase your capital to $130k at the start of each year.
     
    #920     Aug 24, 2017