Fully automated futures trading

Discussion in 'Journals' started by globalarbtrader, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. isotope1

    isotope1

    that sounds like we shouldn't trade it? Nothing's worth betting the house on.
     
    #1431     Jan 30, 2018
  2. That's what it seems to me that truetype is saying. GAT, do you have an opinion on this? Seems like we may want to remove Vix from a trend following strategy, in case we get another 1987.
     
    #1432     Jan 30, 2018
  3. truetype

    truetype

    It's a free country. But when I see a post "lost 12% in two days" trendfollowing, I think, (1) way too much VIX and/or (2) way too high target vol.
     
    #1433     Jan 30, 2018
  4. tradrjoe

    tradrjoe

    How did you manage to be up 40% over the past year doing trend following? Are you invested in some exotic stuff?
     
    #1434     Jan 30, 2018
  5. traider

    traider

    #1435     Jan 31, 2018
  6. isotope1

    isotope1

    Sorry, it was ~30%, my bad. In addition, a chunk of that came when I less diversified & more lucky (outcome of French election & CAC40 gapped in my favour). January was still great though.
     
    #1436     Jan 31, 2018
  7. isotope1

    isotope1

    Following everyone's advice, and realising how quickly vol can spike on bad news, I realised that a '2008' style spike might result in my account being bust. I'm not sure if it would have affected me (I trade the contract three months out), but some risks aren't worth taking.

    I exited all my volatility positions. Effect on backtest is significantly worse results, both in terms of drawdown & sharpe. If anyone has any other thoughts on it, please contribute.
     
    #1437     Feb 2, 2018
  8. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, and you can't sleep well due to it, then it might indeed be better to remove those instruments.
    In my case: I do use V2TX (not the USA VIX), but assign a very low weight percentage to it.
     
    #1438     Feb 2, 2018
  9. truetype

    truetype

    This week will separate the sheep from the goats -- the truly diversified trendies from those who are just riding the 10-year bull market.
     
    #1439     Feb 2, 2018
  10. I don't trade quite the way you guys do in this thread, but for cases like this, I overlay some common sense position sizing constraints using cave man math. The thought process may sound silly but it has saved a lot of jobs. Ideally, you want a baseline layer of risk management that is crude and model free. From there, you can fine tune without violating your baselines in order to maximize mean/variance or whatever you prefer. In your particular case, I would do something like the following:

    -During the '87 crash VIX was said to spike to >150, so let's assume a worst case of 200
    -Third month futures are very unlikely to get anywhere near that high, so call a rough max of 100 (although it's probably considerably lower than that)
    -That's ~600% higher than where things are trading now
    -Select a survivable loss number from the position, say -30% on the account
    -Then back into your max position size which would be contract value equal to a ~5% allocation in this example

    Something like that should allow you to sleep at night without completely missing out.
     
    #1440     Feb 2, 2018