Fuel Hedging using CL Call Options

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by OddTrader, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. It seems someone among you guys must know a certain low-cost effective way that can solve the hedging problem in general for fuel users. That'd be really really great!

    So long!
     
    #71     Apr 12, 2012
  2. I tried to bring up this point pages ago. OP never answered.
     
    #72     Apr 12, 2012
  3. hen12y

    hen12y

    FAS used to be the bane of my existance in my previous Job. You have a physical crude cargo hedged with futures and the underlying price goes up (back in 2008 this was, it was always going up) you obviously get a MTM gain on your physical and MTM loss on your hedge. But you can only book the physical gain to your books when title has transfered to the end buyer, but you have to book the MTM change in your hedge every month. We were booking large losses every month which couldn't be offset by the gain to the physical, even though we were making bundles on the contango play!

    we were limited to the amount of paper we could have open at month and quarter end as a result as management couldnt understand the 'losses' we were making, which in turn meant we couldnt play the contango with our physical bbls any more. Muppets.

    We do an awful lot of ICE Gasoil options here, they're pretty liquid in London generaly get a 2 vol spread on them which considering the volume they trade in relative to brent and TI is pretty impressive!
     
    #73     Apr 13, 2012
  4. I seem to recall Semgroup falling on the same sword during that run up.
     
    #74     Apr 13, 2012
  5. bone

    bone

    For many commercial companies, the hedging person or group typically falls into the org chart for the CFO - which means they are stuck with the bean counters. And there has been much industry blow-back with how impractical and unworkable and untenable FASB 133 truly is or was. Revisions have been proposed in working groups.
     
    #75     Apr 13, 2012
  6. hen12y

    hen12y

    its only really the trading desk who understood it, everyone above, from the general manager of our division to the global head of trading didnt have a clue!
     
    #76     Apr 13, 2012
  7. imo, this call options hedging is basically a long hedge. I think it can be used mainly for hedging Short term demand in order to meet any sudden increase of sales that exceeds previously planned (i.e. already properly hedged) level of hedge. Therefore it has only very limited use. And very expensive.
     
    #77     Apr 15, 2012
  8. Ya, as a call is a hedge for any business with risk in a given commodity. Like Cargill hedging with Corn calls. Thanks so much, Captain Obvious.
     
    #78     Apr 15, 2012
  9. Thanks for your kind understanding, and the positive energy in this energy thread!

     
    #79     Apr 15, 2012
  10. ?????

    http://www.cmegroup.com/market-data/volume-open-interest/energy-volume.html

    Products; Volume; Open Interest

    Crude Oil Future; 501,173; 1,586,964
    Crude Oil Options; 102,679; 3,593,674

    Volume: The number in this column represents the number
    of contracts traded on the selected date for all CME Group venues
    (Globex, Open Outcry, ClearPort/PNT, and all other executions)

    Open Interest: Open interest represents the total number of contracts either long or short that have been entered into and not yet offset by delivery. Each open transaction has a buyer and seller,
    but for calculation of open interest, only one side of the contract is counted.
     
    #80     Apr 16, 2012