FTX Account Holder? Welcome to tax purgatory

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by gwb-trading, Dec 8, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    For FTX customers, IRS Ponzi rules loom large
    Sam Bankman-Fried's criminal status is key to special tax deductions
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/ftx-customers-irs-ponzi-rules-loom-large

    FTX customers will face a nightmare when they file their income tax returns next year. The firm's legal and accounting problems may prevent customers from filing on time, and it could be months—or even years—before they can deduct their losses. There’s a good chance that many FTX users, who numbered 1.2 million at the end of 2021, will be forced to file extensions.

    Much depends on whether authorities charge Sam Bankman-Fried with a crime and how quickly investigators untangle FTX’s financial mess. A criminal proceeding should bring into play special IRS rules for Ponzi scheme investment losses, allowing for immediate deductions. Otherwise, FTX customers with frozen or missing assets will have to wait for IRS guidance or court judgments or claim deductions based on gray areas of the tax law.

    "Customers of FTX are in a tax purgatory right now," observes tax expert Victoria Haneman, Frank J. Kellegher Professor of Trusts and Estates at Creighton University School of Law.

    Bernie Madoff’s legacy

    "If you look back at the scandal with Bernie Madoff, he was charged in December of 2008 and the IRS didn’t come out with guidance on him until March of 2009," she says.

    As a result of the Madoff case, the IRS issued Revenue Ruling 2009-9 which instructs taxpayers on how to report the amount and timing of losses from Ponzi investment schemes. Additionally, Revenue Procedure 2009-20 provides a safe harbor method to compute and claim that loss.

    Madoff scammed nearly 40,000 investors. FTX’s creditors number more than a million.

    "I would file an extension and wait for more visibility because I think there is going to be more guidance issued because everybody is all over the board on this," recommends Haneman. "Part of the reason for the guidance with the Madoff situation is the IRS didn’t want to deal with a glut of amended returns."

    Extensions and protective claim for refund

    Extensions. Extensions give taxpayers six additional months (until October 16, 2023) to file a tax return. However, the IRS will charge interest on any unpaid tax. A taxpayer may be required to make an extension payment to avoid interest and penalty, a complicated task when the amount of deductible loss could still be unknown at that time.

    Protective claims. Taxpayers can also file protective refund claims. These claims preserve the right to claim a refund when the refund depends on future events that may not be determinable until after the statute of limitations expires.

    "I’d probably go the extension route just to wait for more visibility because I can’t see [the IRS] offering no input whatsoever," Haneman says.

    Deducting a Ponzi scheme loss

    Sam Bankman-Fried’s legal status is key to how FTX losses will be treated.

    The IRS no longer allows a deduction for personal casualty and theft losses except in cases of qualified disasters, though you can still write off losses from the theft of investment property.

    To qualify as an "investment theft loss," a so-called lead figure in FTX would have to be (1) indicted on fraud, embezzlement or similar statutes under state or federal law, and either (2) admit guilt or have their assets frozen by court order; or (3) there are no charges due to the lead figure’s death.

    Revenue Procedure 2009-20 allows taxpayers to claim a 95% "safe harbor" deduction on their qualified investment loss. Taxpayers can claim a 75% deduction if they are pursuing action against parties other than the fraudsters.

    This is advantageous. Capital loss deductions against ordinary income are normally capped at $3,000 per year ($1,500 if married filing separately). Any losses from completed crypto sales or withdrawals would fall in this category.

    But what about frozen funds?

    Deducting worthless or abandoned securities

    Worthless securities. The IRS allows taxpayers to claim a loss for "worthless securities." If your can't claim a Ponzi investment loss, can you write off crypto as a worthless security?

    Although the IRS treats cryptocurrency much like stocks and other capital assets, the Securities and Exchange Commission has not classified cryptocurrency as a security, meaning the IRS might not allow you to write off any frozen and unsold crypto as "worthless." It’s a gray area.

    Haneman also notes FTX crypto customers may eventually recover something, so claiming your account as worthless might not be correct. That means a taxpayer may be forced to wait until the bankruptcy court authorizes payments to account holders, a process that could take months or years.

    Abandoned securities. Haneman notes that an "abandonment loss" is another possible option. To claim an "abandonment loss," a taxpayer must permanently surrender and relinquish all rights in a security and receive nothing in exchange for it.

    "We just don’t have clarity right now," she says. "A lot of hassle and many headaches can be avoided if we have guidance on this early. To the extent there is no guidance on this issue, and people are all over the board, I don’t know the IRS is going to turn a blind eye to it."

    Haneman hopes the IRS will issue guidance on FTX by March 2023.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2022
  2. MKTrader

    MKTrader

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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yeah... and if you held any FTX-hosted NFTs --- well they aren't real either.

    FTX-hosted NFTs break after website is redirected to a restructuring page
    https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=ft...website-is-redirected-to-a-restructuring-page

    After FTX declared bankruptcy, the entire FTX.us domain was redirected to a page providing information on the bankruptcy proceedings.

    However, NFTs that had been minted on the FTX platform relied on metadata from an API at that domain, meaning that the NFTs are now pointing to broken links. Owners of these NFTs can still see that the NFT exists, but images no longer work—even when viewing the NFTs in their own wallets, or when listing them for sale on other platforms.

    Other projects that rely on the FTX NFT platform's API, such as the Coachella NFT project, also broke: the Coachella NFT platform shows 0 NFTs in existence. Those NFTs are still show up where they are listed on external NFT platforms, although the images and metadata are broken.
     
  4. That is the one major thing I have issue with NFTs. The damn hosting is STILL CENTRALIZED.

    I have been waiting for years for someone to just incorporate the pixels RIGHT INTO the fucking blockchain.
     
  5. johnarb

    johnarb

    The JPG's for many (most?) NFT's are hosted on IPFS so decentralized, i.e. BAYC

    It is not possible to put all that much data on the blockchain, it will make the blockchain very very big. Only the hash/metadata is stored on the blockchain

    Each block on the blockchain has a size limit
     
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  6. Yes I am aware that the chain would grow large in size. But still, it would be nice to see something like this. I'm not asking to wrap HiDef movies into it (yet).