Frustrated learning and losing

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by Sure Chap, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. Good point. I don't like paper trading either...never did it much, but he shouldn't do any REAL trading until a worthy effort is put forward. Shouldn't risk real money until he knows more about this game...can't be lazy in the markets!;)
     
    #21     Sep 14, 2016
  2. comagnum

    comagnum

    He has been trading for years - he tried futures and found out what the wrong side of to much leverage does - lesson learned, he is focused on risk mgmt - a valuable lesson that may turn him into a profitable trader. Maybe take some time off than come back trading small. Losing money and making mistakes is a part of trading - at all levels - even for the all time best - it's o.k.. Nearly every top trader has blown up a few times, got hip to risk mgmt and went on to be great traders. They did not stop trading to paper trade. Futures trading without a large account and a successful history of equity trading is like trying to learn to surf at 40' pipeline.
     
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    #22     Sep 14, 2016
  3. I am also ever faced frustrated in forex business, I am ever leaving forex because I am felt can't making money here, but after time going on, it making like as missing and felt curious again and start learn again until now
     
    #23     Sep 14, 2016
  4. Very much agree. But there's no substitute for not studying the markets and not having a plan before risking equity. Sure, he could trade small until he gets it down, but what about studying his ass off after hours? He should have somewhat of a clue before he trades small. What about back testing ideas...then he could trade small? At least paper trading might force him to develop something decent. When people paper trade they get bored...good time to analyze/backtest or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in real time exposure to the markets. That's the best way to learn price action dynamics. I just figured paper trading for him is punishment for being lazy. It's hard for me to even imaging laziness and trading...probably because I'm so obsessed about the markets.:D
     
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    #24     Sep 14, 2016
  5. Start with small amount capital, now many broker also provided micro account or cent account type and newbie like as me can start with small capital only and if get failure it will not stress and frustrated because only losing small money but indeed profit also will small
     
    #25     Sep 15, 2016
  6. You need to join prop or something like that,to interract with the experience traders.You are at a zero ground despite the years you said you spent.Find a guide dog!
     
    #26     Sep 15, 2016
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  7. Seems you right, having long years experience in fact can't guarantee will able making good earning in trading, there are alot of trader even though already long years experienced but skill like as stagnant and can't growth
     
    #27     Sep 16, 2016

  8. It is hard to make a decion to quit , but it requires a brave decision to stop and have a 3 month break .Go on demo , although this does not test your phsyche , but it helps to see from outside the box.You always see light at end of tunnel . so you carry on , then at the end of the tunnel you see another of those demons within your phsyche.It is a road to further losses , so quit until you get it right on demo.

    Market ranges 80 % of the time so finding trends is 20/80 odds.There are 100 phsychological reasons why traders fail to perform , in most cases these are areas of weakness, so until you know your weakness , you may keep on getting nowhere.
     
    #28     Sep 16, 2016
  9. You are under a lot of stress , when you are losing , stress leads to stress responses (read phsychology of stress ) , your brain is making you behave differently under stress , this is dangerous in real trading with real money.

    Frustration is an emotion , you are now gearing towards amyglada hijack (emotional hijack) , it is a dangerous lethal/losing mindset in trading .Emotions of desire for revenge on market , to recover losses and trade irrationally are going to take over , if you don't stop.Under emotional hijacking , traders can not trade rationally , because the rational brain ( frontal cortex) is hijacked.This is a problem all humans face.
     
    #29     Sep 17, 2016
  10. Stress, this often making people also get mental disorder, I have seen some people which before stress they in normal life like as other people, but after stress because might faced with something that made them in depression, it can leading to over stress and losing rational thnking
     
    #30     Sep 17, 2016