Frequent small profits, rare large losses...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by nxt7, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    They can close your position when the after hour trades hit your stop? No wonder one expert day trader told me to ALWAYS close all the positions before the market closed?
     
    #21     Dec 21, 2016
  2. OP,

    Most newbies follow this route, dont be one.
     
    #22     Dec 21, 2016
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  3. Handle123

    Handle123

    This is totally insane, you are not even considered gambling, this is called wanting to lose all you have a more, cause when not if, you trading anything leveraged and gaps over your stops, it will be even more. This first time I have ever heard of using this percentage of loss other than not using a stop. No trade is worth being in with this much risk.
     
    #23     Dec 21, 2016
  4. d08

    d08

    There's no magic answer, pretty much all high win rate approaches have this problem - this is why most don't trade these. Better to have a 60% WR and very concentrated distribution.
     
    #24     Dec 21, 2016
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  5. d08

    d08

    The common idea is that overnight brings huge risk but I haven't actually seen this in data, there are equally big moves intraday.
     
    #25     Dec 21, 2016
  6. No position sizing or position hedging will save the trading strategy that has no edge. If your win rate is 90%, but average loser is 20 times larger than the average winner, you have a negative mathematical expectation. That is, your strategy is (much) worse than a coin toss. I would suggest going back to the drawing board.
     
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    #26     Dec 21, 2016
  7. JackRab

    JackRab

    Seems like you just put your stoploss to far away. Or double down indeed... and going bust on a longer move in the wrong direction.

    So you take a quick profit which is always smaller, and when the trade goes wrong you either double positions or try to ride it out and try to cover at no loss?

    There are not that many black swans, so that can't be it....
     
    #27     Dec 21, 2016
  8. prc117f

    prc117f

    I dont get it? You can reduce tail risk by going long an option that puts a floor on your max risk.
     
    #28     Dec 21, 2016
  9. JackRab

    JackRab

    Doesn't work if OP is doing lots of small trades and hangs on to the wrong one... costs will rise massively.

    Unless... he might be able to buy an option or strangle at beginning of the day to cover a move beyond his daily range...
     
    #29     Dec 21, 2016
  10. nxt7

    nxt7

    I want to know the answer. Feel free to PM me if you dont want to post here.
     
    #30     Dec 22, 2016