Freedom of speech at stake

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Andrea Wylan, Oct 21, 2020.

  1. gaussian

    gaussian

    If we are to apply the first amendment consistently then the alleged "Russian Meddling" would also be under the first amendment provided it isn't inciting violence/etc.

    What you've revealed here is exactly why the dems are also pushing to dismantle 230. If they dismantle 230 then this spectre of "Russian Meddling" ceases to exist since publishers will be forced to censor the material.

    I would be cautious - China is a huge fan of Beijing Biden and I'm almost positive China is doing some of it's own meddling. We'll see if the FBI does its job after November 3rd.

    Both sides support repealing 230 for almost the same reason, the only thing that matters is which gets a hold of the new rewrite first.
     
    #51     Oct 24, 2020
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Foreigners don't get 1st amendment protections . For reference, look at undocumented immigrants no getting due process.
     
    #52     Oct 24, 2020
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Elitetrader does take an active role in moderation and most people would agree it allows for a cleaner experience and a viable business for Baron.

    All of these sites have to take an active role in moderation for practical reasons. Section 230 I think was actually intended for internet service providers like Comcast and IDT (if you remember them) who weren't expected to monitor the lines for all traffic that went through.

    Twitter has to monitor their site - otherwise it will get infested with child pornography. It will get infested with trolls that will make it a horrible place to visit. So the question is where is the line drawn?

    This whole debate comes down to the fact that the President of the United States wants to state outright lies. Its not about anything else or anyone else. Andrea stated it in the OP herself. This is about supporting Trump unconditionally. Supporting his ability to spout lies with impunity.

    If Section 230 is gone, its likely that Twitter will just ban Trump, all the QAnon posters, and all the crackpots (most of which are on the right). With it, many good posters and posts will be deprived of this soapbox - but Twitter would have no choice. Andrea will start another thread about how Trump (first) and Americans (second) have lost their freedom of speech because a private enterprise has chosen to deny them all access on their service.



     
    #53     Oct 25, 2020
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  4. Andrea Wylan

    Andrea Wylan Sponsor

    I don’t appreciate being missed quoted.
     
    #54     Oct 25, 2020
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    trump fans first
    Freedom of speech fans second
     
    #55     Oct 25, 2020
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  6. jem

    jem

    We are seeing utter bullshit from lefties... who may or may not be getting their lead from the DNC.

    If section 230 protection is removed from sites making editorial and view point choices... these very successful businesses will return to the view point neutral moderation they deployed 4 years ago and more.

    This whole shtick about fake news was their excuse to eliminate a significant viewpoints and contributors. Those who claimed the Russian collusion crap was garbage were labeled fake news and then it moved to protecting Biden from China collusion.

    They don't deserve 230 protection and shill for the DNC at the same time.
    Not in America... its got to stop.. otherwise we will turn into an Orewellian nightmare.


    First they came for the conservatives....
    Then they came for me.
     
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    #56     Oct 25, 2020
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  7. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    All social media companies set rules for using their platforms, and they moderate content whenever those rules are broken. There's nothing wrong with that. It's allowed under section 230. But that's very different from selectively enforcing the rules and using algorithms to drive content in the direction you want it to go.

    I have no problem with social media companies making rules against posting links to unverified stories. They have every right to do that to suppress misinformation. But they have to apply that rule uniformly to everyone. They can't remove unverified stories about Biden and allow unverified stories about Trump, because then they're taking an active role in shaping published content.
     
    #57     Oct 25, 2020
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Jem, w/230 gone, you won't be able to post, not with this nick, not with the other half dozen that have been banned already.
     
    #58     Oct 25, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    why do they have to apply the rules fairly (even if I believe your premise that they're being slanted which everyone's failed to provide proof of)? show me the law that says so.

    Where's the outrage at right wing PACS which historically have had more money than dems pushing content that favors one side more than the other?
     
    #59     Oct 25, 2020
  10. jem

    jem

    another baloney fear argument by here4dnc.

    Nobody is saying 230 protection will go away for viewpoint neural moderation...
    which is what Baron does here.

    2... I changed nick and ceased posting on this nick and faggots (i don't mean gay, I mean faggots) like you got it banned. As far as I know you are allowed to change nicks here.

    Years and years ago for one or 2 days I used a different handle because I did not know my password on a machine at work and I was using a different computer... I let everyone know it was me before it got turned off.




     
    #60     Oct 25, 2020