Let me make it easier for you. Do you think there is a correlation between education and income? And do you think conservatives tend to be the educated demographic? And by the way, the blog post you linked to is talking about a poll of 600 respondents 10 years ago, get new relevant material. And you do your personal attacks again, you go back to ignore where you can debate yourself. A Trumptard giving lecture on 'honest person', what's next - a lecture on sexual fidelity?
Yeah let's just lectures on honesty and sexually fidelity from supporters of the party of Bill Clinton.
Of course it's never measured in context of the cost of living for the area. Does it cost more to live in NYC or West Virginia. Imagine how poor these counties would be if it wasn't for the Republican policies that supported coal & other industries important for their local economies.
You don't seem to understand - neither Bill Clinton or Democrats promoted 'moral family values' as one of the core tenets of the party, so how the hell is it even relevant. As for honesty, your guy lies 10 times a day as opposed to 10 times Bill Clinton lied in 8 years.
how about just the last 12bill subsidy to compensate for an immature trade policy that impacted the soybean farmers. PS. the corporations you mentioned are the beneficiaries of those aids. farm aid goes to the farmers. (although I agree that farmers are getting ripped off too)
By that logic, people in Bangladesh and Somalia aren't poor because it's so cheap to live there - the reason these places are cheap to live is because there is nothing of economic importance there. Nice of you to bring up 'coal' as economic savior, I remember reading this article few days back. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/west-virginia-poverty-gets-worse-under-trump-economy-not-better/ https://www.wowktv.com/news/west-virginia/west-virginia-ranked-poorest-state-in-country/1517322723 LOL coal.
I challenge you to even come up with 10 Bill Clinton lies, just 10 and you won't be able to do it. All you do is promise a big game and deliver nothing, as always. Here is Trump lying just today https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-t...-one-month-after-saying-i-know-matt-whitaker/
On this subject of soybean farmers there was an interesting in-depth article in our local paper - the N&O on Sunday covering the political perspectives of these farmers. Trump’s policies are hitting family farmers hard. Will they revolt on Election Day? https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article220826960.html MARSHALL, Mo. - She’s a Democrat who hates President Trump’s tariffs. He’s a Republican who hates the tariffs, too, but believes Trump needs more time in office . Pat Peterson and Shannon Dowell are tied together by the 550 acres of the land they farm together in central Missouri and their financial co-dependency on Trump’s ability to win an ugly trade war with China. Many of those feeling the greatest pain from tariffs the United States and China have put on $50 billion of goods are rural Trump voters who helped him win Missouri by nearly 20 points in 2016. Family farmers have lost billions in profits as a whole. They hate the tariffs, but supporters like Dowell don’t appear to be jumping ship. At least not yet. “We are literally surrounded by Republican farmers and we just shake our heads trying to understand why they’re still supporting this,” Peterson said. “Why are they not saying this is wrong? Why are they still supporting Trump? And they do.” In farm and factory states such as Missouri, where the fog of soybean dust fills the air as harvest season kicks into high gear, tariffs are the pocketbook-clutching issue that has tested the patience of rural Americans as uncertainty rages about future earnings days before the midterm elections. Keeping his John Deere combine straight as the big green machine chews up hundreds of bushels worth of soybeans an hour, Dowell hollers over the 375 horsepower engine that Trump deserves a chance to address a problem that everyone knows exists. The 41-year-old, third-generation farmer who lives on the farm his grandfather purchased in the 1960s, doesn’t like having less money in his pocket, but he says he sees the long game. It’s time someone stood up to China after years of espionage and price fixing. “No change ever happens without a little hurt,” Dowell said, while checking his yield on one of the many onboard computers. But Peterson, 69, who lives with her husband Charles in the white farm house overlooking the field, can’t help rolling her eyes when she hears her Republican friends talk about the need to be patient. She’s tired of wondering if crop prices will return to where they were before the trade war. “We’re talking thousands of dollars because of the tariffs,” Peterson said. “And that’s not even thinking about buying new equipment. You just don’t know what to do. It’s very stressful.” Last year, the United States exported about $20 billion of agricultural products to China of which soybeans accounted for more than half of that amount. Trump’s 25 percent tariffs are mainly aimed at curbing imports from China, but Beijing retaliated with taxes on an equal amount of U.S. products, including soybeans and pork. Soybean prices fell by about 20 percent after the tariffs were enacted, and have dropped from a high of $10 a bushel to about $8.50 today. Trump insists he can save American jobs and factories by reworking trade deals. He’s making that case directly to sensitive farmers caught in the crossfire with Beijing during the final campaign stretch largely through corn and soybean country, including two stops in Missouri. “Don’t forget, we’re the piggybank that everybody wants to steal from,” Trump told farmers attending the Future Farmers of America’s annual convention in Indianapolis recently. “Everybody. We have all the cards, but nobody has ever chosen to use those cards. Honestly, nobody has ever known that we had the cards. They never got it. But we get it now.” To ease the impact of the tariffs — and keep the rural vote — Trump announced a $12 billion bailout for farmers earlier this year. Trump visited Columbia on Thursday and plans to visit Cape Girardeau on Monday, where he’ll throw his support behind Missouri Attorney General Josh Hawley in one of the most hotly contested Senate races. Trump sees the chance to defeat Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill as one of the best opportunities to pick up a key Democratic seat. But the tariffs are the wild card in this year’s election. Only 28 percent of Missouri registered voters think the Trump tariffs and barriers to imports will protect American jobs and help the U.S. economy, according to a recent NBC News/Marist poll. Forty-four percent says it will hurt the U.S. economy and raise the cost of consumer goods. Mix in other factors such as the absence of a farm bill and unpredictable weather — Missouri experienced a long drought this year — and farming is a high risk industry. Farm income has dropped more than 50 percent in the last five years, according to the American Farm Bureau. “So farmers are getting squeezed on both sides,” said Brian Kuehl, executive director of Farmers for Free Trade. John Block, agriculture secretary during the Reagan administration and who helps build support for Trump’s trade policies among farmers, said farmers understand the difficult challenges involving China. They also accept that commodity prices are low not just because of the tariffs, but because the nation’s farmers had such a large harvest this year. Block said farmers continue to have faith in Trump — especially now after he reworked a trade deal with Mexico and Canada that involved many agriculture products sold from the region. “Part of this is just the simple idea that, well, Trump got one thing done. He said he would. Now, let’s get the next one done,” Block said. “There is more confidence that we’re going to keep fixing these disputes and agriculture will be back in there with a lot of customers.” Rick Oswald, 68, a soybean farmer from Rock Port, Mo, estimates Trump’s trade war could cost him 20 percent of his annual soybean profits. Franco Ordonez McClatchy Climbing down a 3,500 bushel grain bin, holding nearly $30,000 worth of soybeans, Rick Oswald, 68, said the trade war reminds him of the Soviet grain embargo nearly 40 years ago that pushed many of his friends out of the business. At the time, then-President Jimmy Carter sought to punish the Soviet Union for invading Afghanistan and announced an embargo on grain sales to the Soviet Union. While the U.S. cuts its own sales to the Soviet Union, countries like Argentina and Brazil seized on the opportunity and their own grain markets, which they sold to the Soviets to the detriment of American family farmers. Oswald estimates his six full bins in Rock Port, Mo., would have been worth $216,000 instead of $180,000 if not for Trump’s trade war. Why would China back down? “The leaders in China may be worse than the Republicans,” said Oswald, a past president of the Missouri Farmer’s Union, “They really don’t have anyone to answer to.” Kile and Sandi Guthrey, of Marshall, Missouri, said the area used to be very Democratic, but now has shifted to Republican. Talking about President Trump, Kile said, “I don’t like his tone...It’s not presidential.” Shelly Yang syang@kcstar.com In the basement of the Marshall Courthouse, the county commissioners of Saline County hold a public meeting to discuss new programs, including one to encourage young farmers to remain in the community. Commissioner Richard Clemens, a third-generation farmer and chairman of the Saline County Republican Committee, said it’s unfair to compare Trump’s tariffs to the Soviet embargo noting the pain was much worse because it happened at a time when interest rates were sky high. Enthusiasm for Trump remains strong in the rural America, he said, and it could be just enough to push the Republican state attorney general, Hawley, to Washington, defeating McCaskill. Clemens points out how Trump endorsements have helped other Republicans win tight primaries, including Republican gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach in Kansas. Kile Guthrey, a farmer and Democratic commissioner, agreed. He admits he too found Trump “refreshing” during the 2016 campaign, taking on the establishment Republicans in multiple debates and talking like any one of his neighbors. But he’s concerned the tariffs will drive out more young struggling farmers. “It seems they always use the farmer as the whipping boy,” Guthrey said. Turning his combine to drop off more soybeans, Dowell said he’s never wanted to do anything else but farm. He plans to hold onto his soybeans, hoping whispers he’s heard of an imminent deal are true. “If they get it done in six months, I think that is a very optimistic view,” Dowell said. “It could take a couple years. China is China. They’re pretty set in their ways too. We have a lot to offer the rest of the world at a very cheap price. So I think over time it’ll be good as long as everyone gives it time. Change doesn’t come easy.” (More information, links, photos, and video at article url above)