Forgive me Father for I am about to sin and disgrace myself by naming my prediction for Dem nominee.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. Wallet

    Wallet

    The DNC would have a better chance by moving back to a more mainstream left-center message. This will upset the far-left, but they’re more likely to vote party regardless of platform as they're vehemently anti-Trump.

    Rethink 2016, pick a candidate without a last name ending with Bush or Clinton, and don’t pander to the coast’s, you have their vote. Go kiss a few mid-westerners and deplorables.
     
    #31     Jul 31, 2019
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    The democratic nominee will be chosen by the same voters that have been choosing the democrat nominee since 1992,black voters.In past democrat primaries Bill Clinton got 74% of the black vote in 92,Gore got around 85% in 2000,Kerry got 81% in 2004,Obama and Hilary both got around 80% in 2008 and 2016.

    The candidate that is polling the highest now is Biden,who has the highest % of black support in polls.Black voters will probably drag him across the finish line unless he fucks up bad or if Harris can somehow win them over,thats why I was not shocked she attacked him on race in the last debate.Booker has also been attacking Biden with racial attacks. With time Harris might be able to take black voters from Biden like Obama did to Hillary in 2008.If Biden messes up Harris ,Sanders,Booker and Warren has a shot at them imo.Everybody else forget it.


    The 2020 election will be decided by black voters as well by their turnout imo.If the democrat gets 65-70% black voter turnout like Obama did in 08 and 2012 the democrat wins.If the democrat gets around 60% like Hilary did in 2016 Trump gets a second term imo.
     
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    #32     Jul 31, 2019
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  3. Could you stop being realistic and rational? I don't want you to piss off all of the Warren, Beto & Mayor Pete supporters on this site.
     
    #33     Jul 31, 2019
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  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/politics/black-voters-democrats-2020/index.html

    Why black voters are so important for Democrats in 2020
    Analysis by Harry Enten, CNN
    Updated 6:01 AM ET, Fri April 5, 2019


    (CNN)Several Democratic presidential contenders made their way to New York City this week to speak at Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network convention.

    That so many 2020 hopefuls are attending a prominent gathering of black activists should come as no surprise: Black voters are the base of the Democratic Party and hold major sway in the primary.

    Black voters make up about 20% of all Democratic voters, according to 2016 primary exit polls and 2018 data from the Pew Research Center. To put that in perspective, about the same percentage of Democrats identified themselves as "very liberal" in the average 2016 primary with an exit poll as the percentage of Democrats who said they were black. Additionally, just slightly more Democrats are whites with a college degree than are black, per the Pew Research Center.

    In other words, black voters make up about the same part of the Democratic Party as two parts that a lot of analysts like to hype for their growing power (college-educated white voters and very liberal voters).


    Unlike college-educated whites and very liberal Democrats, black voters have consistently been a large portion of the Democratic base. If you look back at the 1980 election, for example, black voters made up about 20% of Democrat Jimmy Carter's vote. In 2000, they were about 20% of Democrat Al Gore's base of support against George W. Bush.

    But, more than just being a group of voters, black voters have often voted in blocs in presidential primaries. That is, black voters have voted very similarly to one another in recent competitive contests. Hillary Clinton won about 80% of the black vote in the 2016 primary. Barack Obama won about 80% of it in the 2008 primary. Although neither the 2004 or 2000 primary season went on for any extended length to fully grasp how all black Democrats felt, John Kerry and Al Gore both dominated the black vote in early contests and did better than they did with white voters. Bill Clinton won about 70% of the black vote in 1992. Jesse Jackson won over 75% of the black vote in both his 1984 and 1988 bids.

    To give you a comparison of how unusual it is for such a large portion to vote as a bloc, look at college-educated white and very liberal voters. Hillary Clinton lost the median caucus or primary with an entrance or exit poll by 4 among very liberal Democrats. She won college educated whites by only 6 points in the median contest.

    Voting as a bloc means that a group can be decisive. That's exactly what happened in the last two primaries. Bernie Sanders was neck-and-neck with Clinton among non-black voters in 2016. Clinton's large margin with African-Americans gave her an easy win overall. The shoe was on the other foot for Clinton in 2008. She easily defeated Obama among white and Latino voters. Obama's large win with black voters gave him just enough votes to beat Clinton overall.

    We obviously don't know how black voters will decide in 2020, though early indicators are that no candidate has a Clinton or Obama-like edge with them. Indeed, black voters have a lot of diversity in their ranks, so it could be the case that they don't vote as a bloc this year. Still, in a divided primary, no candidates can afford to leave any group off the table. They certainly don't want to suffer a defeat like Sanders did with black voters in 2016.

    Of course, if a candidate did catch fire with black voters, it could prove to be invaluable. That's partially about how many black voters there are in the electorate, but also about when the states with the highest percentage of black voters in them cast ballots.

    Let's say a candidate struggles in Iowa and New Hampshire. If they are doing particularly well with black voters, they might be able to count on South Carolina as a backstop. The vast majority of Democrats in the state are black, and Clinton used this to her advantage when she lost New Hampshire and barely beat Sanders in Iowa and Nevada. She crushed Sanders in the South Carolina primary in 2016 and never really looked back.

    Black voters can help form a cloak of inevitability around a candidacy as well. Many southern states vote in the same month, and many have large black populations. Clinton in March 2016 and Obama in February 2008 were able to accumulate large delegate leads because of this. It's difficult to stop a candidate when they have a significant delegate advantage.

    Now, doing well with black voters is not a guarantee of primary success. Although most recent nominees won a substantial majority of the black vote, neither Walter Mondale in 1984 nor Michael Dukakis in 1988 did.

    But even if the eventual Democratic nominee doesn't win the black vote, they will still need black voters to vote heavily for them in the general election. Had Clinton been able to maintain Obama like levels of support and turnout, she probably would have barely won the Electoral College in 2016. Given Obama was the first black major party nominee, Clinton may have faced an impossible task in their regard.

    The lesson, though, is clear: Black voters are a key part of the Democratic Party in the primary and general election. Democratic candidates are wise to reach out to them on many platforms and in many forums.
     
    #34     Jul 31, 2019
  5. smallfil

    smallfil

    Bernie Sanders will be again, taken back to the woodshed for a beating! DNC Globalist Wing is not going to allow him to come near the nomination. They will strip him of his delegates when it comes time to vote. Hell, they did it once, they can do it again! The debates highlight how bad the Democrat candidates are! It also, weakens practically, all of them because their extreme positions highlighted for all to see! That paves the way for a Hillary Clinton entry as the savior of the Democrat Party. Wait for it, it is coming!
     
    #35     Jul 31, 2019
  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    Cannot remove the also runs so soon in the race. After all, what do we do for entertainment? Bernie Sanders, Native American Elizabeth Warren and I am black Kamala Harris are too boring, they will lull you to sleep with their giveaways. Hell, they cannot even put a price tag on their freebies? When the also runs at the bottom make the most sense, you know you are in trouble!
     
    #36     Jul 31, 2019
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  7. I think Bernie did help to change the process a little bit but unfortunately it is not going to help him much.

    Since 2016, he and his crew have been successful in getting a dnc rule change such that super delegates are not allowed to vote until after the first vote. ie. until the second round if it goes there. That would be a ginormous benefit to a clear leader who does not want to be torpedoed by the superdelegates right from the get-go. Unfortunately though neither Bernie nor any other candidate is going to have a shot at winning on the first round- just too divided and too many candidates so the super-delegates will come into play just as in the past.

    Bernie's ship has sailed but this is his last hurrah so he will go to the end and play whatever cards he is holding to stay relevant.
     
    #37     Jul 31, 2019
  8. kingjelly

    kingjelly

    Agree, Pete is the best candidate, no chance of winning, but he is.
     
    #38     Jul 31, 2019


  9. I am hoping that Marianne Williamson will be appointed Secretary of Chakra Alignment.

    As an aside, I have noticed that she has some kind of weird faux Elizabethan, faux aristocratic accent so I looked up her bio to see how the hell she came by that. Then I found that she studied theater at Pomona College in CA. Look no further than that. Theater majors develop all sorts of weird acquired shit along the way. It's what they do.
     
    #39     Jul 31, 2019
  10. Okay, that's not bad.

    Well, you voted for a reality TV star, so you would know these things.
     
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    #40     Jul 31, 2019