For Tomorrow --- Pause or No Pause?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by MacroEvent, Sep 19, 2005.

  1. I have no idea. Would it be smart to raise rates when another category 4 or 5 hurricane is heading towards houston?

    Again, I have no idea. It will be interesting though to see what Greenie says.
     
    #11     Sep 19, 2005
  2. higher the interest rates, the higher the bank cd rates,

    I love it, bring it on!

    Can't wait till 6-7% risk free CDs

    Just sit back and collect!
     
    #12     Sep 19, 2005
  3. wabrew

    wabrew

    Here is what I said on this topic on 9-3-05

    09-03-05 09:20 PM

    Look at a ten year chart of the ten year bond. It is in a raging bull market. (Prices up - yields down)

    Next year the ten year could range between 2 3/4 and 3 3/4 % if we only go into a mild recession. Who knows where we will be if we get ourselves into a steep recession.

    What brings on the steep recession? The underfunding of pension plans.

    Virtually all companies with Defined Benefit plans are, or will be, underwater due to actuarial assumptions of 7-8% returns -- they are only getting 3-5%.

    Corporate earnings are going in the tank next year due to 'unexpected funding requirements' (this is the phrase many CFOs will be using when they announce 'one time' charges to earnings).

    Expect deep earnings hits and bad markets as a result.

    The interest rate market has a way of looking out way into the future -- The ten year is telling us "things are not looking good!

    The fed is done!

    Here is a news release I just saw today

    "The board of Colorado's Public Employees' Retirement Association voted
    Friday to keep expectations for investment returns and inflation at
    the same level, 8.5% and about 3.8%, respectively, in accordance with
    the recommendation of Buck Consultants' David Slishinsky, who advised
    the board. According to the Rocky Mountain News, the decision was
    made over the objections of two trustees who had sought to lower those
    key financial projections to what they thought were more realistic
    levels. The public pension plan, with nearly 370,000 active,
    inactive, and retired members, is the main retirement vehicle for
    state workers, most Colorado teachers, and many other government
    employees. At year-end 2004, it had an unfunded liability of some
    $12.8 billion."

    Don't think Greenie does not know about this pending tic toc.
     
    #13     Sep 19, 2005
  4. I'm confused, why would the fed be done? If greenie wanted to move the 10 year, all he has to do is keep moving short term rates up. Even if the yield curve inverts for a little while the arbitrage players and tax-free municipalities would be having a field day.
     
    #14     Sep 19, 2005
  5. wOg

    wOg

    Gold has helped provide any cover that the Greenspan Fed needed (not that they needed any; they've been telegraphing for months)

    No pause.
     
    #15     Sep 19, 2005
  6. wabrew

    wabrew

    From The Kin -
    "Even if the yield curve inverts ".....

    This is the classic definition of inflation and recession.

    I don't think the yield curve inverts - instead, I think it starts to spread as many of the very large fed traders unwind their very profitable bond spread positions (short short term/long long term bonds).

    Greenie doesn't give a damn about the ten year rate - instead, he cares about inflation. Only this time RAISING interest rates is not the right move.

    Interest rates have to stay low so the FED can accommodate Corporate "needs" when they start to show next year.
     
    #16     Sep 19, 2005
  7. all i know, is that all the fed verbiage in their rate announcement tomorrow would never be enough to satisfy everyone as to why they paused if they did --- it would make some wonder why they REALLY paused.
     
    #17     Sep 19, 2005
  8. wabrew

    wabrew

    You are absolutely right!

    This might be another reason form them to do the unexpected. It would make for some VERY Volatile markets (both stock and bonds)
     
    #18     Sep 19, 2005
  9. they would pause and say the same thing they always do...



    "blah blah blah.. no inflation... blah blah blah ..well contained"


    enough reason for me and dip buyers
     
    #19     Sep 19, 2005
  10. I doubt they will pause.. And with the market action today I'd say most traders are of the same view. Do any of you expect much action tomorrow if they dont pause? Or do you feel its already entirely priced in by now?
     
    #20     Sep 19, 2005