For the dumb Ivermectin cultists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Aug 6, 2021.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Oklahoma? The airport there where I've never seen so many people reading their pocket Bible while awaiting their flight.
     
    #101     Sep 5, 2021
  2. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I'm ex-military and have done training in a lot of states. I would say the state with the most bible readers that I've seen in airports would be Tennessee...Memphis or Chattanooga. Next on my list would be airports in Kentucky and Missouri.

    I would see people checking in their luggage with a bible already in one hand. Yet, the most religious military buddies I had...they are both Rangers that in which one grew up in Oklahoma and the other was married to a woman from Oklahoma.

    wrbtrader
     
    #102     Sep 5, 2021
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  3. Wallet

    Wallet

    Hummmmmm, guess I should have referred to it as “Equine Excrement”?

    Clean out a few stalls and you’ll learn to call things for what they are.
     
    #103     Sep 5, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #104     Sep 5, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see what the world's leading doctor on properly using Ivermectin has to say about using Ivermectin for Covid...

    No doctor should be prescribing ivermectin for COVID, expert says
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-doctor-ivermectin-covid-expert.html

    Colorado State University Professor Brian Foy has been studying ivermectin for nearly a decade, long before it became a hot topic in the United States.

    He's leading a team of international scientists—including researchers from the country of Burkina Faso in West Africa, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the U.S.—to study the use of ivermectin to reduce cases of malaria in several villages in Burkina Faso. Malaria affects more than 200 million people worldwide and kills 445,000 people, mostly children, each year.

    Earlier results from the team's first clinical trial in Burkina Faso were promising, showing a 20% reduction in malaria cases in young children. Foy said the ivermectin being used in these clinical trials is approved by regulatory agencies in mostly tropical countries to prevent river blindness, or onchocerciasis and strongyloidiasis—conditions caused by parasitic worms.

    He sat down recently with SOURCE to discuss what's happening in the U.S. with ivermectin and provided an update on his malaria research.

    (Lengthy Q&A at article url)
     
    #105     Sep 6, 2021
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7886121/
     
    #106     Sep 6, 2021
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #107     Sep 6, 2021
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    gwb-trading

    #108     Sep 6, 2021
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Two Oklahoma hospitals differ on doctor's claims over Ivermectin overdoses
    https://okcfox.com/news/local/two-o...r-on-doctors-claims-over-ivermectin-overdoses

    GROVE, Okla. (KOKH) — On Sunday, an Oklahoma doctor made a claim in a Rolling Stone article that Ivermectin overdoses are sending people to the hospital.

    The article spread like wildfire Sunday and Monday on social media.

    Now, two hospitals the doctor works inside of through a medical staffing agency have issued statements about the claims.

    Integris admitted Jason McElyea, D.O., is an employee of an agency that staffs emergency departments through the United States. The statement said he has privileges at Integris Grove Hospital.

    "There is a lot of media attention surrounding remarks reportedly made by Dr. McElyea. While we do not speak on his behalf, he has publicly said his comments were misconstrued and taken out of context," the statement from Integris went on to read.

    Integris said they can confirm the hospital has seen a handful of Ivermectin patients in its emergency rooms, including at Integris Grove.

    "And while our hospitals are not filled with people who have taken ivermectin," the statement reads, "such patients are adding to the congestion already caused by COVID-19 and other emergencies."

    Another hospital, Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah, posted a statement from the administration on its website.

    "Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room," the statement reads. "With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months."

    The hospital system also said it had not treated any patients due to complications related to taking Ivermectin. The hospital has also not treated Ivermectin overdose patients.

    "All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care," the hospital's statement went on to read.

    Ivermectin is a controversial drug that has not been approved by the FDA or CDC for use in treating COVID-19. Many have wiped out shelves at feed stores across the U.S. since it is a common, over-the-counter treatment for worms and parasites in cattle and horses.

    Two court cases have come about over its use on COVID-19 patients.

    On Monday, a judge in the Houston area ruled a hospital can treat a patient with the drug after first denying the family's request. The hospital has yet to give the man Ivermectin.

    The same day, a judge in Ohio denied a woman's request to require a hospital to give her husband Ivermectin for his COVID-19 diagnosis.
     
    #109     Sep 6, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Judge reverses order forcing Ohio hospital to give ivermectin to COVID-19 patient
    A judge issued an order siding with West Chester Hospital, saying the hospital does not have to honor an ivermectin prescription written for Jeffrey Smith.
    https://www.10tv.com/article/news/l...ient/530-1b31c0c6-e010-49ed-b300-422148a0f03c

    BUTLER COUNTY, Ohio — A Butler County judge sided with a local hospital and reversed a previous court order forcing it to honor a prescription of ivermectin, which infectious disease experts have warned against as a COVID-19 treatment, for a patient who has spent weeks in the ICU with the disease.

    After two days of testimony and arguments, Common Pleas Judge Michael Oster issued an order Monday siding with West Chester Hospital. He said the hospital bears no duty to honor a prescription written for Jeffrey Smith, 51, for ivermectin, a drug used as a dewormer in horses and an anti-parasitic in humans.

    The drug has surged in popularity as a COVID-19 treatment, egged on by conservative politicians and media figures, despite adverse warnings from the Centers for Disease Control, the Food and Drug Administration, the American Medical Association, the drug’s manufacturer and others.

    “This Court is not determining if ivermectin will ever be effective and useful as a treatment for COVID-19,” Oster said.

    “However, based upon the evidence, it has not been shown to be effective at this juncture. The studies that tend to give support to ivermectin have had inconsistent results, limitations to the studies, were open label studies, were of low quality or low certainty, included small sample sizes, various dosing regiments, or have been so riddled with issues that the study was withdrawn.”

    Julie Smith brought the lawsuit on behalf of her husband, Jeffrey Smith, who tested positive for COVID-19 and was admitted to the ICU July 15, where he remains today. He has been sedated, intubated and on a ventilator since Aug. 1.

    The hospital refused to honor the prescription, prompting the lawsuit. On Aug. 23, another judge wrote an order demanding the hospital administer the ivermectin as prescribed. Monday’s order nixes the August order.

    Julie Smith testified that neither she nor her husband were vaccinated against COVID-19. She said it was “experimental,” so she didn’t trust it.

    “We didn’t feel confident it had been out long enough,” she said during a hearing Thursday.

    She later connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, a founding physician of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a nonprofit that touts ivermectin as a wonder drug. Wagshul is a licensed physician but is not board certified within any specialty and hasn’t worked in a hospital for 10 years, according to his testimony.

    He prescribed Jeffrey Smith 21 days’ worth of ivermectin without reviewing Jeffrey Smith’s clinical information or talking to any of his treating physicians. He said the pharmaceutical industry and U.S. government have smeared ivermectin and “censored” its allegedly undeniable beneficial value.

    However, when asked if it had benefitted Smith, he hedged.

    “I honestly don’t know, but the rule of thumb is, when something is working, you don’t stop it,” he said.

    Several witnesses for the hospital cast doubt on Wagshul’s testimony and credibility as a physician. Dr. Ferhan Asghar, a surgeon and chief of staff at the hospital, said a physician who is not board certified would never be admitted to practice at West Chester, per hospital policy. He said it was also a “concern” that a physician would issue such a controversial prescription without seeing the patient or reviewing his information.

    Dr. Jaime Robertson is an infectious disease physician who sits on a committee at UC Health, which staffs West Chester Hospital, to review available evidence to guide treatment for COVID-19 patients. He said the evidence doesn’t necessarily conclude ivermectin doesn’t work; instead, he said ivermectin bears risks just like any treatment but there’s no conclusive evidence to show enough benefit exists to outweigh that risk.

    “I think the problem here is there are conflicting outcomes in public health literature,” he said.

    Dr. Daniel Tanase, Jeffrey Smith’s treating physician, disputed any notion that the ivermectin demonstrably helped his patient, and said there’s not enough evidence to support the use of ivermectin on COVID-19 patients.

    “We follow science and we follow what the guidelines are,” he said. “So yes, I don’t think ivermectin is what he needs at this time.”

    On Aug. 26, the CDC issued a health alert warning of a five-fold increase of calls to poison control centers regarding ivermectin exposure compared to a pre-pandemic baseline. These included exposures related to topical and veterinary formulations of the drug.

    “Clinical effects of ivermectin overdose include gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea,” the CDC states. “Overdoses are associated with hypotension and neurologic effects such as decreased consciousness, confusion, hallucinations, seizures, coma, and death. Ivermectin may potentiate the effects of other drugs that cause central nervous system depression such as benzodiazepines and barbiturates.”

    Several other federal authorities have issued similar warnings. Even Merck, which manufactures the drug, issued a statement in February affirming its position that there’s no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from ivermectin. The company also noted a “concerning lack of safety data” in the majority of studies.”

    A review of available literature conducted in August by the journal Nature found there’s no certainty in the available data on potential benefits of ivermectin.

    Ohio Hospital Association President Mike Abrams said in a statement before Oster issued his order stating there is insufficient data to support ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. He called the initial order “concerning” in regards to forcing a hospital to use a drug unapproved for use.

    “OHA believes it is an extraordinarily dangerous precedent for judges to practice medicine and order unproven medical treatments over the objections of highly-trained clinicians and against all standards established by the medical community,” Baker said.

    Bill Paiobeis, an attorney for West Chester Hospital, declined comment Monday, citing the potential for an appeal.


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    #110     Sep 6, 2021