For the dumb hydroxychloroquine cultists

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  1. Dr. Love

    Dr. Love

    It is. Things haven't changed much.

     
    #121     Aug 1, 2020
  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    As President Donald Trump continues to tout hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for the coronavirus, Assistant Secretary for Health Adm. Brett Giroir used an interview on Sunday to swat down the anti-malaria drug as a viable countermeasure for Covid-19.

    In an interview with Chuck Todd for NBC’s Meet the Press, Giroir was asked if it’s “a danger to public health” that Trump repeatedly pushed hydroxychloroquine throughout the last week. Giroir answered by saying the drug looked like a promising solution “at first,” but further studies have shown that it does not provide substantial benefits in treating the coronavirus.


    “At this point in time, we don’t recommend that as a treatment,” Giroir said. He went on to say steroids and remdesivir look to be more effective before saying once more “hydroxychloroquine, I can’t recommend that.”


    “The evidence just doesn’t show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now,” Giroir continued. He also pointed to public health and safety guidelines before saying “I think we need to move on from that and talk about what is effective.”
     
    #122     Aug 2, 2020
  3. easymon1

    easymon1

    Research it for myself?
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    #123     Aug 6, 2020
  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    Hydroxychloroquin is the Tide pod challenge for Baby boomers.

    Prove me wrong.
     
    #124     Aug 6, 2020
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Republican Florida Rep catches COVID-19 and is hospitalized - finds out that Hydroxychloroquine does not cure COVID-19 the hard way. Finally wakes up and tell hydroxy promoters on the Internet they are idiots.

    Randy Fine says hydroxychloroquine is 'not magic' COVID-19 cure, but believers won't let go
    https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...droxychloroquine-therapy-covid-19/5573368002/

    After two weeks battling COVID-19, State Rep. Randy Fine (R-Palm Bay) posted on Facebook that he needed his lungs X-rayed as his symptoms now included a recurring fever and a hacking chest cough. He remarked that the hydroxychloroquine therapy he had been on proved ineffective.

    “I’ve had a cold who knows how many times. I have never had to deal with anything like this. And for those who want to believe that (hydroxychloroquine) is some kind of magic solution, I’ve been taking that too (I don’t oppose it, but I am tired of people pretending it is magic),” he wrote in the post.

    By the time the X-ray images came back showing lung damage serious enough that doctors ordered Fine to stay for observation, a debate over hydroxychloroquine raged on Fine's Facebook page.

    “Hydroxychloroquine as stated by many Doctors here and abroad is very effective. Had you been given that at the outset you might think it was magic indeed...” wrote one user.

    “Was given it the day my test came back,” Fine replied. “Sorry to burst the magic bubble.”

    Further on, netizens commented that surely Fine must have not been taking the drug “as prescribed” or following “protocol” (there is none established by any medical authority).

    "I'm over it," Fine texted FLORIDA TODAY from his Holmes Regional Medical Center hospital bed on Monday. "People should be able to use it if they want. But people should stop pretending it is some kind of magic potion as well. If they need proof, look at me."

    Since the early days of the pandemic, excitement over the possibility that cheap, widely available drugs might be repurposed to combat the novel coronavirus has spurred a flurry of research and clinical trials. But one non-peer reviewed, clinical study from France, which has been widely derided for its shoddy methodology, including randomly eliminating test subjects without explanation, and small sample size, touted the effectiveness of the decades old anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine when used alongside azithromycin the antibiotic commonly sold as Z-Pak.

    Fervor around a possible miracle cure exploded, fueled by anecdotal reports that patients recovered suddenly after taking the drug. Before science could validate the results of the study, the drug was seized on by President Donald Trump who along with allies such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis secured vast quantities of the untested “cure” at taxpayer’s expense.

    But successive clinical trials following standard scientific methods failed to replicate the results touted by the flawed studies that championed the therapy. The scientific consensusisthat there isno measurable impact from taking the drug, alone, or alongside other medications.

    U.S. health authorities began recommending against the use of the therapy outside of the controlled setting of a clinical trial because of the risk of adverse side-effects.

    On Jul. 22 the highly-respected journal Nature published a first of its kind study that looked at live human lung cells and found definitively that chloroquine had no anti-viral properties when it came to the virus that causes COVID-19.

    The argument appeared to be settled.

    Then, last week, President Trump again touted hydroxychloroquine after a group of physicianscalling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” staged a press conference in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington D.C.

    A video of one of the doctors, Stella Immanuel, claiming that a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and the nutritional supplement zinc were a cure quickly went viral. Even as social media platforms feverishly tried to take down the video for containing false and misleading claims it was re-posted by President Trump, major right-wing personalities and Donald Trump Jr.

    Dr. Immanuel’s credentials have since come under scrutiny, along with her prior claims that certain real-life ailments are caused by sexual intercourse with demons.

    This prompted assistant secretary for Health and Human Services, Adm. Brett Giroir, who was appointed to the White House's coronavirus task force to coordinate testing efforts, to say on 'Meet the Press' Sunday that it was time to "move on" and that the government does not recommend the therapy.

    More:Hydroxychloroquine not effective; time to 'move on:' White House coronavirus testing chief Giroir

    "The most well-designed studies so far, that are not anecdotal, but are actual studies, have indicated that there does not appear to be any beneficial effect on the use of hydroxychloroquine," said Jay Wolfson a public health policy expert and senior associate dean at the University of South Florida's medical school.

    Despite this, believers in the treatment have persisted.

    “He didn’t use the HCQ correctly,” a comment said on Randy Fine’s page. “You must take zinc with the hydroxychloraquine. (sic) The zinc is the magic bullet and the hydroxychloraquine (sic) carries it so it can prevent viral replication. Just curious, did you take the zinc too?”

    “Yup. Sorry to burst the magic bubble,” Fine shot back.

    In fact Fine said he took the drugs on the recommendation and prescription of his doctor, and contrary to assertions that the public is being denied access to the drug, Fine said he had no problem filling his prescription at CVS.

    Certain states have curtailed easy access to hydroxychloroquine to prevent hoarding that was endangering access for patients with Lupus who also need the drug. But anybody with a prescription from a doctor willing to prescribe it for COVID-19, in theory, has access.

    Fine has now stopped responding to commenters asking about whether he was taking the therapy.

    "I just got tired of every time I made an update people stating that if I just took (hydroxychloroquine) I'd be magically healed which was particularly frustrating because I was taking it," he told FLORIDA TODAY in a text.

    "Much of COVID has become politics as opposed to science," said USF's Wolfson. "And it's an old issue of science being viewed in some social circles as being antithetical to belief systems."

    Whether it was polio or smallpox, Wolfson said resistance to science and public health expertise, despite concerted public information campaigns, has always been an issue.

    "It took a long enough time where enough people died or were affected by it, that both individuals and communities and political systems and communities, took action. We've only been at this for seven months in this country."

    Only then, Wolfson said, will the walls individual's belief systems have erected come down.

    For Fine the situation is reminiscent of the polarization over masks. "It's like people can no longer accept disagreement with their view."

    It should be noted that Wolfson has been retained as an expert witness for Hillsborough County, which is fighting against a lawsuit to repeal their mask mandate brought by Republican State Rep. Anthony Sabatini (R—Howey in the Hills).

    Fine, for his part, thinks it's a matter of people needing to feel comforted during a difficult time.

    "I think perhaps some people are clinging to this to psychologically manage their anxiety over the disease." he continued, adding "because if some pill can magically make it go away who has to worry?"
     
    #125     Aug 6, 2020
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Peter Navarro Cites ‘Dilbert’ Cartoonist to Prove Experts Wrong on Hydroxy
    “So, I would just ask—I’ll let Scott Adams’ video be my defense on this,” Navarro responded after a CNN anchor cited several peer-reviewed studies.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter...-cartoonist-to-prove-experts-wrong-on-hydroxy

    White House trade adviser Peter Navarro approvingly cited a pro-Trump cartoonist on Wednesday night to make his case that the White House’s public health experts are wrong on controversial anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine.

    Over the past couple of weeks, Trumpworld has re-embraced hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus treatment after a fringe doctor who believes in demon sperm declared in a viral video that the drug can “cure” COVID-19. President Donald Trump has doubled down on his support for that doctor, calling her “spectacular” and “very respected.”

    At the same time, several experts on the White House coronavirus task force have attempted to push back against the president’s promotion of hydroxychloroquine. Coronavirus testing czar Brett Giroir, for instance, said it’s time we “move on” from the drug after several high-quality studies showed no benefit in treating coronavirus.

    During an interview with CNN anchor Erin Burnett, Navarro—who recently said he took “exception” to Giroir’s remarks—continued his unapologetic promotion of the drug as a coronavirus treatment.

    Reacting to top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci decrying the death threats his family’s received, Navarro insisted his own very public criticism of Fauci played no role in the hostility directed at the doctor.

    “Those are fair policy disputes,” he shouted after Burnett brought up his op-ed where he claimed Fauci has “been wrong on everything” surrounding coronavirus, including hydroxychloroquine.

    “Tony is a great guy, right?” Navarro continued. “There’s just disagreements. And on things like, for example, hydroxychloroquine, he has a strong point of view. There’s as many doctors on the other side.”

    Arguing that there are many more experts who say hydroxychloroquine is not effective, Burnett added: “Peter, first of all, you’re an economist, not a scientist.”

    After the CNN anchor cited Fauci’s and Dr. Deborah Birx’s recent dismissals of hydroxychloroquine and pointed out that there are five peer-reviewed studies that show the drug’s lack of efficacy, Navarro countered with a comic strip artist’s opinion.

    “All right. Let me say this to you, okay?” Navarro exclaimed. “I reach out to all your viewers. Scott Adams—you know Scott Adams, right? He’s the guy who wrote the Dilbert cartoon. He did a beautiful ten-minute video on Twitter, and the thesis of the video is that CNN might be killing thousands because of the way they’ve treated that. So, I would just ask—I’ll let Scott Adams’ video be my defense on this.”

    The video that Navarro referenced shows the Trump-boosting cartoonist pointing to a bunch of whiteboards while accusing CNN of killing tens of thousands of people because of their “dangerous” reporting on the drug.

    Burnett was not so impressed with Navarro’s counterargument.

    “Can I just say something? I find that to be offensive because he’s a comic strip writer,” she fumed.“I just said that because I want to be clear. I just said Dr. Fauci, Dr. Brett Giroir, and Dr. Deborah Birx.”

    Navarro, meanwhile, contended that Birx had not “come out against hydroxychloroquine,” prompting Burnett to play a clip of Birx saying that there’s “no evidence that the drug improves those patients’ outcomes, whether they have mild-to-moderate disease or whether they’re seriously ill in the hospital.”

    The Trump aide, meanwhile, seemingly revealed the real reason he’s so intent on pushing the drug even while the FDA has revoked its emergency use for coronavirus treatment.

    “Let me tell you why I got involved with this,” he barked. “I got involved with this because as a Defense Production Act coordinator I’m literally sitting on 63 million tablets, 63 million tablets, of hydroxychloroquine that would help possibly four million Americans stay alive. And so I’ve got that stake in the game.”
     
    #126     Aug 6, 2020
  7. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I saw recently that the Far Side creator Gary Larson is back in business. His opine on hydroxychloroquinine?

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    #127     Aug 6, 2020
  8. Dr. Love

    Dr. Love

    You guys may illustrate yourself. Don't be fooled by the DNC evil left controlled media. It can cost you your life!

     
    #128     Aug 6, 2020
  9. Dr. Love

    Dr. Love

    Here more evidence the left is guilty for most of the people who are dying.

     
    #129     Aug 6, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So let me understand --- every single doctor in the U.S. can prescribe hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 if they believe it is medically beneficial. All they need to do is join one of the over 50 studies being performed on hydroxychloroquine in the U.S. -- which is easy to do. Yet you believe somehow that the left is guilty for most of the people are dying.

    The reality is that nearly every single mainstream study has demonstrated that hydroxychloroquine based therapy is not effective in treating or preventing COVID-19. Yet in the U.S. any doctor can still prescribe the medicine as long as they join a study.

    Most doctors are smart and are prescribing drugs/steroids that are effective in the treatment of COVID-19 such as remdesivir or dexamethasone.
     
    #130     Aug 6, 2020