For my Christians Friends

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nyxtrader, Mar 23, 2008.

  1. Jesus uses the word "angle?"

     
    #471     Apr 16, 2008
  2. No worries. One thing we can all agree on, despite all the rhetoric, is: We all just want to be happy right now. We disagree temporarily how that is achieved.

    Jesus:)
     
    #472     Apr 16, 2008
  3. Oh, there is only "the atheistic position"? One, solitary position.

    Really? Seems rather simplistic, doesn't it?

    If there is only one atheistic position, then where can this creed be found?

    For the record, you have NOT refuted agnosticism. Frankly, I have never seen it happen yet. Please, give it a try. Go use Dawkins, if you want (though he failed in his efforts, I am afraid). You may need some help with this one.

    And you have yet failed to answer my questions, choosing instead to offer ad hom instead (typical for the evangelical theist AND atheist, btw) and argue, without evidence that my agnosticism is "preposterous".

    Btw, one more immature outburst from you, and you'll be sent to the trolls, along with rcanfiel and the rest of the lot.


    :)
     
    #473     Apr 16, 2008
  4. volente_00

    volente_00




    LOL, this is not about proof, this is about your ego and thinking you are right. Even if proof was shown, atheist would not admit it due to the fact you have spent too many years with a close mind to admit self defeat.
     
    #474     Apr 16, 2008
  5. Turok

    Turok

    All this discussion of agnostic vs atheism got me thinking:

    Many of my friends are atheist. I am the only agnostic (that I know of) in the immediate group. I'm trying to find any substantive differences.

    We live our lives exactly the same -- that is, I (and every other agnostic that I know of) live without a single active thought about whether a god *does* exist. We've all been there, done that and are through with it until *new* evidence surfaces. I would no sooner make a life decision based on that existence than would my atheist friends.

    Both my atheist friends (yes all of them) and I would immediately become theists if anything remotely convincing came about, but common sense tells both catagories not to hold their breath. This takes away the "agnostics could eventually believe, but atheists will never" argument.

    The only real difference would come if someone ask us "does god exist" They would say "no" and I would say "I don't know" (with a real 'and I don't give a sh**' shrug).

    All this conversation makes me wonder about my personal answer. If someone asked me this question "When I pick up a rock and let it go, will it fall back to earth *every time*. I of course would say "Yes" (as would any reasonable person on this list).

    According to the arguments some have presented here, to be logical I must answer "I don't know". According to them *I can't know* since, well, I haven't dropped every possible rock every possible time from the begining to eternity.

    I'm calling BS on that one and am concluding that there isn't a whit of difference between the atheist and agnostic that *I* know.

    JB
     
    #475     Apr 16, 2008
  6. Turok

    Turok

    Projection.

    The atheists I've know have shown to a person far more willingness to bend to new evidence that *any* theist I've met.

    Remember, the atheists are not carrying a conclusion in search of facts.

    (of course with your twisted mind you'll still ask someone to prove a negative ... so never mind).

    JB
     
    #476     Apr 17, 2008
  7. volente_00

    volente_00


    The sun rose today. I say it will rise tomorrow. It is possible that it will not ? Yes, but I have a high degree of faith that it will. The same faith that you place in science and the same faith that you place in your atheist religion. What a mans sees often depends on what he is looking for. Seems to me if there is no God, and no heaven then why are you wasting your precious time trying to convince others? It should not matter what others think as long as you are happy. The simple fact remains that you can not prove that God does not exist, so your basic premise is groundless.
     
    #477     Apr 17, 2008
  8. Turok

    Turok

    V00:
    >Even if proof was shown, atheist would not admit it ...

    The conundrum:

    How does the above square with "there are no atheists in foxholes" routine that you theists throw around?

    JB
     
    #478     Apr 17, 2008
  9. Turok

    Turok

    V00:
    >Seems to me if there is no God, and no heaven
    >then why are you wasting your precious time
    >trying to convince others? It should not matter
    >what others think as long as you are happy.

    On ET ... pure entertainment.

    With friends ... I hate to see them waste their time and would like to see them live fuller lives.

    JB
     
    #479     Apr 17, 2008
  10. volente_00

    volente_00


    logic ?

    LOL






    So tell us how you prove your unrestricted negative of God does not exist using logic ?


    Either your logic is flawed or your position is.


    Either way you are wrong.
     
    #480     Apr 17, 2008