Could it be possible that science has not come up with the right machine that actually shows proof of God ? Another point is science is only as good as the people who make it up. How many scientist use to say the world was flat ? Then they change their minds and it is round. This shows 2 things, all those who placed FAITH in them believed something that was not true and that science can be dead wrong.
Why would they be scared? Let me explain. This day and age people want instant gratification, Christianity doesn't work that way. People these days rely on tangible things; money, clothes, cars, etc. You get the point. Most people won't jump up and down when you express that you are a Christian, as it appears non glamorous so to speak. I find them in many respects but not across the board, to be more "moral" than those who consider themselves to be saved. To address the above statement, most people you run into on the street are Catholic. I grew up Catholic and I learned they are the so far from being a Christian. I really don't want to get into right now. Catholics believe, the end justifies the means. Good deeds will get you into heaven and this couldn't be farther from the truth. Proof? Let me say this, show me proof good doesn't exist.. Religion is soley based on faith. I am a believer and there is nothing you could do to change my view point.
Religion a cause, principle, or system of BELIEFS held to with ardor and faith Atheism 1. The doctrine or BELIEF that there is no God. 2. A lack of BELIEF in the existence of God or gods. Atheists place FAITH in science about their BELIEFS.
They don't assert ? assert: To state or express positively; affirm To defend or maintain This thread was started by a christian and then atheist jumped in asserting their BELIEFS about non existence of God. Every response on here from an atheist is about them asserting their BELIEF in non existence of God Strong atheism is the position that a god or gods do not exist. The strong atheist explicitly asserts God's non-existence.
Stagnant ? Christians have been persecuted in every country and yet through it all, their BELIEFS and the bible still stand the test of time. Why is that ?
It's impossible to assert non-existence. One can only conclude non-existence. You can't run around stating, "prove there is no God!" That's asinine. One cannot prove a negative. Therefore, one cannot assert a negative. Theists assert that there is a God, yet offer no proof which would distinctly be ascribed to God and no some other thing. Without this proof, atheists conclude that there is no God. It's that simple. There is no such thing as a belief that there is no God. That's the most foolish and incredibly asinine statement. However, if there is a God and it's proven to exist, anyone running around stating that there is no God would be foolishly deluding themselves and would be stating their belief regardless of the evidence and proof to the contrary.
I'm not interested in changing your viewpoint. It's immaterial to me. If you change it or keep it, that's your business and right. But you still not have addressed the question as to why one would be afraid of salvation. The fact that people today, as well as from times past. rely on tangible things has no bearing on salvation. Unless they have to relinquish those things in order to be saved. Surely that's not the case. You seem confused about your own religion. First, for someone to even desire to be saved, they have to know that they need saving. Proof that the Christian God is the God considering all the other gods currently and from times past would go a long way towards that end. Just saying, "Jesus loves you and died for you sins and if you don't accept Him you're going to Hell." doesn't engender that desire. Might evoke fear. But to a rational mind, this God seems like a petulant child. "If you don't love me, I'll hate you and kill you for not loving and embracing me." Something fishy about that paradigm, no? It's even reminiscent of how dictators run their game. The other problem is how to determine if one's belief in this paradigm is genuine? Would a fear motived "belief" be good enough? What about a hedging faith like Pascal's wager? What about a questioning faith? What about believing in a certain doctrine like Catholicism or Lutheranism or pentacostalism or Calvinism, ect, all of which in essence depict a distinctly different God? Who's right? They all can't be if you know the doctrines of each sect. Considering the importance that the Christian paradigm places on salvation, wouldn't a rigid set of standards have been made? So if there is a fear of salvation, as you allege, it would be that one would adopt the wrong Christian sub-doctrine and be damned anyway. In a word - no assurance. Just a lot of double talk and intra-denominational contradiction. Don't you think the Catholics think they are right and you are wrong - bound for hell for your heresy as you think of them?
Yet they continue to divide themselves on doctrinal issues. So much so, one group swears the other isn't Christian. Why has it stood the test of time? Well don't get so high on that idea. Christianity is only 2000 years old. Judaism is 4000 years old. There are religions that are older than that and still exist today. Such as hinduism and Jainism. Paganism, which still exists today is oldest of all. So why have these stood the test of time?
Don't know what your trying to get at but your not doing a very good job of it, sounds like typical religious double speak, like an old Saturday night live skit. This atheist has never seen any proof of the invisible man so thus does not believe in the invisible man, or bigfoot or werewolfs, vampires, time travelers, etc. I have also read the bible and noted the scores of conflicting statements, lies and examples of a vicious, murderous, jealous, shallow but "loving god" and concluded that the book is rubbish and chose not to believe in rubbish let alone waste my time reading it over and over again. I haven't read the koran sp? but your talking about the bible right, you probably agree we me on the koran and all other religious writings that they are rubbish and idiotic and only for the weak and gullible. You are living a life based on a book, a book man, wake up. Really how can a man plan out their whole existence based on an old book? That is bizarre. But hey at least you modern christians are a hell of a lot better than the modern muslims. The muslims actually believe the old testament type stuff like killing the non believers and act on it.