for FX traders am I correct in thinking this

Discussion in 'Forex' started by jpvil123, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. contra

    contra

    Yes, they would also talk of the ECB fix and London fix being the big ones, forgot to mention.
     
    #31     Aug 29, 2016
  2. JackRab

    JackRab

    A great documentary to watch... it's a bit grainy, since it's from '86.. but very interesting.

     
    #32     Aug 29, 2016
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  4. contra

    contra

    Worst manipulation seems like these talking head central bankers if you ask me.

    That billion dollar documentary was like before DOS 1.0
     
    #34     Aug 30, 2016
  5. Sig

    Sig

    Since it's often their stated goal to move their own currency then I guess so. Kind of like saying Congress "manipulates" laws however.
     
    #35     Aug 30, 2016
  6. contra

    contra

    Hey Sig, Perhaps this is true... I can't say I fully agree with that analogy, but I guess that depends on how fairly you feel laws are being passed in congress. Who is checking these central bankers? I admit, I don't know how it works 100%, but I'd more liken it to media manipulation on society.

    I think the first central bank to admit they are manipulating currency rates through interest rate policy, or monetary policy accomodation, was the ECB - specifically Draghi, or the BOJ? This is just within the past 5 years. The FED never actually stated that as their goal, but I guess they just word it better. This is openly stated as their goal now? Seems criminal to me.
     
    #36     Aug 30, 2016
  7. Sometime central bank has big role to control currency exchange, usually as bank central also has policy that required to adjusted currency exchange to support overall economy, which might having goal to increasing import
     
    #37     Aug 30, 2016
  8. Sig

    Sig

    Central banks directly intervene in currency markets buying and selling their own currency all the time, let alone more indirectly impact it with rate changes. And have done so ever since Bretton Woods ended in 1971. Usually they announce it once they've done it, since letting everyone know what they're doing tends to help move the currency the direction they want it to move. No secret manipulation or conspiracy at all, it's part of their job. If it should be part of their job or not is open to debate between smart well meaning people, but they make no attempt to claim they don't. Here's the first article I found when I Googled "Japanese central bank currency intervention" (http://www.reuters.com/article/global-forex-boj-idUSL8N15Q4BY) for example.
     
    #38     Aug 30, 2016
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    The irony here is, central banks politely tell you what they are going to do well in advance of when they do it. They actually allow traders to front run them. And these guys don't have the common courtesy to say thank you. LOL. Seriously, the actually say, hey contra, we are going to buy 100 billion Yen and we are going to buy it till it reaches this level. So what do the contra's of the world do, get short! LOL. I mean come on guys, the central banks are leading you into the trades, don't fade them.
     
    #39     Aug 30, 2016
  10. contra

    contra

    lol yes, I was around trading FX during BOJ interventions and the rate pegging of the SNB years back. I hear what you guys are saying, indeed, they definitely forecast their intentions openly to allow traders to fix rates before they actually have to intervene, but I am sure plenty of traders accounts were blown out trying to do so before the intervention (trying to go with the BOJ), and while it was happening being idiots betting against the BOJ right before they stepped in. I remember watching the rates on screen as it happened, it was pretty gnarly. I didn't mess with the yen during this time.

    However there has to be a pretty damn good reason, (so I thought) for unilateral moves like that, in that case it was major corporations (Nissan, Toyota etc) and import/export industry were suffering greatly because of the exchange rate at the time, and they have to explain themselves to the ECB, FED, etc... at G7 and IMF meetings. I was more speaking about Draghi speaking words and effecting rates on a much smaller level.

    You guys can see I don't know too much about it, but I was always under the impression that these central bankers were manipulating bastards. Much more so than hedge funds or banks gunning 20-30 pips above/below the market for stops on their books in illiquid market conditions.
     
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    #40     Aug 30, 2016