Foot-in-the-Door Advice/Help?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by TheoCap, Nov 22, 2006.

  1. Well I go to a B school and I know one fact. And that fact works everywhere.

    If you are in an Ivy school you work in FRONT OFFICE...with clients, good pay etc.

    If you go to the school that I go to or a decent kind of school, some what heard of university/ get middle office is great of course less than the front office, its not that bad.....Or at least I am telling this to my self.

    The third option, just completely work in BACK OFFICE......your job is to take phone calls, look over trades...boring is considerably less than the first 2 options.......for this you attend school that no one ever heard and your resume have to be just horrible........Please god, please, dont let me end up there in the end!!!!!!!

    PS....sorry if I offended anyone in the BACK OFFICE.
    #11     Dec 4, 2006
  2. The comments about schools are largely correct. If you go to a top tier school you can get it with a top tier company, if not you have very few options.

    One option is to get into a top tier grad school. It is very difficult to do, but it can be done.

    Second is to become the protege of a well known "name" in the financial business. Again it is very hard but can be done.

    Finally you can study on your own, take whatever jobs you can get and work to obtain a traffic stoping financial record of your own as a retail trader/investor. And again it is very difficult to do, but can be done if you have the "right stuff"...

    No matter which path you take, you need to exhibit the same characteristics, intelligence, maturity, discipline, focus, perseverance. Most young folks have none of these attributes and that is why it rarely happens for them.

    Try to think realistically about your life and your character. What have you accomplished to date? How likely is it that you can do what so many have tried unsuccessfully to do before you? Fasttracking your career requires a lot of sacrifice. Do you really have what it takes? If you answer is "yes", ask yourself "when in the past have I ever been tested in this way"? and "what was the result"?

    Good luck
    #12     Dec 4, 2006
  3. I warn you. This is going to sound harsh, but this how the business world will treat these matters.

    The format of your resume is not within business standards. The cover letter does not appear to be a business letter. "To whom it may concern" is not acceptable on a business letter.

    Take a second to think about this. You want to get a position of responsibility. You state that you have a 3.0+ GPA and have all this work experience, however, you cannot construct a proper business letter.

    Lets say I was the director at one of these firms and asked you to construct a letter to a client. Would you hand me back a rambling letter like this stating "To whom it may concern"? There is no letterhead on the letter. You might as well be writing to a buddy.

    The cover letter and resume is very important. Imagine yourself as the person reviewing these things. They see these resumes all the time and know how it should sound. If there is anything that appears off, then it will be placed in the trash. Any mis-spellings, any margin spacing issues, ANYTHING.

    Why not spend a few hundred dollars and employ a professional resume writer? If you mess up writing this thing, then it can cost you FAR MORE then 200 bucks.

    As you can see, my English grammar is not top tier and I will admit that. So if I was going to construct a cover letter or resume, then I would turn it over to the professionals.
    #13     Dec 4, 2006
  4. socalpt


    You need to go to a career web site and read all you can about writing a resume, cover letter and job searches...

    First of, be professional: handle your self like one, your letter format and writing style must be organized and professional (3-4 short paragraphs).

    List of your strong points - list a summary of your qualifications in your resume, these are the first thing the interviewer will read.

    Create a resume with 4 to 5 lines short descriptions for each job experience, starting with the most important first. List all of your accomplishment, sell your self, brag like you do with a friend, and be proud.

    Tell them things like with your qualifications and experience you would make a great addition to the company...

    You can read and learn more good tips from a career web site.

    Good luck in your job searches.
    #14     Dec 4, 2006
  5. Fair enough.

    Here is a tip that you will find very helpful and that is role playing. Find a crew of older persons and have a mock interview session. Im sure your father or your uncles have been through interview situations before. Do it with as many people as you can find, friends, family, etc. Place yourself in solo sessions as well as 2-3 man.

    Tell them all to put you threw the ringer and place you in the toughest situations possible. Make it as tense as possible. Even have them dress up and find an office environment. Go to a local public library, they should have some available study rooms that can serve as a mock office.

    A good website to use is That will give you interview questions and may even have the corporation that you are applying to. They even have a messageboard and you can contact current employees and such.

    I have always found that aggressiveness is the key to getting a job. Never blindly fax or email a resume. First call the person, then introduce yourself and go from there. Send them your resume by email or fax. Then wait a day or so and then call back. Dont leave a voicemail, try to get a hold of them directly. Unless they say directly or write to you that they are not interested, then your still a candidate for the job. Keep calling each week until they give a direct sign that they are not interested.

    Another technique is to find the place you want to work at, the person in charge and walk right in. Employers tend to like this kind of aggressive tactic. This will impress many people as its very ballsy and shows how much you want to be there. Most people wont have the guts to come right in. This tactic is a lot easier in NYC then in some other remote places however.

    Getting a job is not like picking up a woman. Its ok to be a little over aggressive. Corporations want people around who are aggressive and have the desire to be there.

    Resumes that are faxed or emailed will be tossed in the trash or deleted. On the other hand, a person who calls or just shows up will be given more attention. You have nothing to lose by making phone calls or showing up besides your time. Actually, it will give you more experience talking to people and selling yourself.

    #15     Dec 4, 2006
  6. One


    I've done a fair amount of hiring, and given your education and experience I think you've done a pretty good job. There is some good advice above (e.g., to nix the "extremely exclusive" bit) but generally the letter and resume are concise and read well.

    Consider including the mentorship with the hedge fund manager on the resume, even if it wasn't paid. I often received over 500 resume's for an opening, and only read the cover letters if the resume made the first round of culling. Also, unless the sums are very small, consider listing the assets that the mentor and you have under management.

    Everyone is different, and initiative is important, but I personally would not have responded positively to an unsolicited visit or repeated direct calls. I was just too busy, but I don't doubt that others would look favorably on those tactics.
    #16     Dec 6, 2006
  7. nkhoi

    nkhoi Moderator

    look over trades, find out who is the best and if his style fit you then learn from him, soon enough you can afford to be OUT OF OFFICE.
    #17     Dec 6, 2006
  8. You are on the right track and asking the right questions. Good luck. And I think you have received some pretty constructive advice so far. I was most impressed by your experience at the Broadmore. That is an excellent Hotel and Resort that only employs sharp individuals such as yourself. And I am always impressed by service industry experience in quality restauants such as the Famous Steakhouse. You learn great life-lessons in such places.

    I graduated from the Colorado School of Mines where I was active in a Fraternity and received a National Award for "Distinguished Greeks of America". I remember putting this on my resume 20 years ago just because I felt it needed more "stuff". That one line caught the eye of a Greek-American in a Company I was targeting. Long story short: I got that job. Lesson: you never know just what bullet on your resume is going to get noticed.

    Regards, Joe
    #18     Dec 6, 2006