Fooled by randomness by Nassim

Discussion in 'Options' started by JCDST1979, Jun 22, 2020.

  1. Magic

    Magic

    Hi rally,

    Do you trade VIX futures almost exclusively to express your views on index vol and especially to short it? Or do you trade SPX options as well?

    Wondering if there is a difference between the two in overall edge to be captured or in capital intensivity.
     
    #31     Jun 22, 2020
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    If that is what you professionals do, we mom and pop amateur retails don't have to worry about you eating our lunch.
     
    #32     Jun 22, 2020
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  3. .sigma

    .sigma

    timing comes from order entry.. even for DOTM options. You can’t just blindly buy them, as you’ll bleed continuously. There’s a way these guys finance these options via short premium as well so it’s not solely long DOTM strikes.

    But at the same time I’ve never traded this way and most likely never will, but understanding the characteristics is interesting
     
    #33     Jun 22, 2020
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  4. .sigma

    .sigma

    Figure out how far away from the money a 6 sigma move will occur +/- then buy the according strikes
     
    #34     Jun 22, 2020
  5. I bet Taleb just does put ratio backspreads. Seems hard to believe he just buys otm puts with his giant brain. But what do I know.
     
    #35     Jun 22, 2020
  6. Sig

    Sig

    While models might assume a normal distribution, it would seem no-one uses those models to actually price options because the prices don't follow a normal distribution model do they?
     
    #36     Jun 22, 2020
  7. The continuously compounded daily returns of a stock or equity index are generally accepted to be normally distributed, which is a common assumption in most option pricing models. While the price of a stock or index is lognormally distributed since its price cannot go below zero.

    Often times (as we saw March and early April) stock market returns displayed a leptokurtic distribution with fatter tails and more data points with 3+ standard deviation moves. However, everyone still quotes, prices, and hedges options from pricing models that use normally distributed returns in the underlying.
     
    #37     Jun 22, 2020
  8. Sig

    Sig

    If that is the case then why do we see skew/volatility smile in options prices?
     
    #38     Jun 22, 2020
  9. According to Professor Taleb, the downside put skew is not steep enough. Or maybe the vol smile should be less linear and more convex, more parabolic on the far-out put wings.
     
    #39     Jun 22, 2020
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  10. panzerman

    panzerman

    One strategy he has talked about in the past was to buy T-bills, and use the interest income to purchase OTM options. That is an example of his barbell strategy, in other words take low risk and enormous risk at the same time. I do not know what strategies he uses currently.
     
    #40     Jun 22, 2020
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