The whole WTC7 fiasco: The Damage and Fire According to supporters of the controlled demolition theory, one of the primary unanswered questions surrounding Building Seven concerns the severity of both the damage and the fires. The controlled demolition theorists maintain neither were severe enough to initiate a collapse. Few videos and photographs exist of the south side of WTC 7 after the Twin Towerâs destruction. Opponents to the controlled demolition theory, however, point out that there is firsthand testimony provided by firefighters and EMT personnel about the severity of the damage to WTC 7 which supports the official explanation. --->They also point out that there were also [74]other firefighters, construction crews, and military personnel who used transits and [75]laser Doppler vibrometers to determine whether there was any movement or danger of collapse in WTC 7 and other buildings in the area. They were surprised to discover, around 3:00 pm, that WTC 7 was moving and was in danger of collapse. A collapse zone was set up at that time. WTC 7 collapsed about an hour and a half later at 5:30 pm. This goes counter to the controlled demolition theory.<--- * New York Fire Department personnel on the scene described the damage inflicted to the south face of WTC 7. Several statements were given by firefighters and other first responders emphasizing the critical condition of Building Seven. [76] * The following are just a few of the documented impressions of authorities on the scene: o "The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center....It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations...and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro o Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls recounts, "A big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side." Captain Chris Boyle recalls, "On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors." - Firehouse Magazine, 8/02 o "They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone....Finally they pulled us out....They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street....Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski o "Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it." - Chief Cruthers o "Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there....So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed." - William Ryan As mentioned in the previous section, NIST is also conducting an investigation into the structural failures of World Trade Center Seven. --->The final report is scheduled for release sometime in 2006. [77] In draft copies of that document, NIST states that they have "seen no evidence that the collapse of WTC 7 was caused by bombs, missiles, or controlled demolition." LINK for my last two posts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#World_Trade_Center_Seven
wow.. i am not even going to get into why wikipedia is the biggest propaganda tool going. come on... did you see the bldg go down???? fire's can not bring down a building made of steel. the detonation charges climb the bldg. it took slightly over 6 seconds to fall completely. if it were caused by an outside stimuli such as fires... it would not have fallen symmetrically in its own footprint. and certainly not at the speed of an object falling due to gravity alone. go watch the demolition and go watch silverslim talk about pulling the bldg.... it is obvious what he meant. no 2 ways about it. he said we decided to pull it and watched it go down. even a carpenter can figure this one out.
Well, it's like I said, it's like trying to push a string with these conspiracy nuts.... She got the call from the guys wife, who knew her own husbands voice, plus, there's a little thing called called id. They all talked on conference call, and my gf got them to the FBI emergency line... Anyways, you fellas have fun, just don't tell your therapists what you believe to be the truth about 9-11, or you might end up taking a much needed 'rest'.
in order for wtc7 to fall there would have to have been massive fires all over the building from top to bottom... maybe I missed it on all the videos.. umm.... but I didnt see anything that harsh.. also "pull it" means just that... If he wanted the firefighters out of the building he would have said... "I just told them to evacuate the building... or I just told the to pull the whole team out of there..." HUUUUGEEE difference between "pull it" and "pull them"
I rest my case on how profoundly ignorant you are. Wiki is just a suppository of info. which happens to present both sides of the story. Even your convoluted mess.
A lof of your assumptions are wrong. According to the NIST report: 1) âThe initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutesâ NIST, 2005; p. 179) This does NOT suggest the jet fuel stoked this hellatious fire indefinitely. It burned out quick. 2) According to you, after the fires matured and saw 'no dissipation', truss temperature on the impact floors did not exceed 500C for 15% of the floor. 35% loss of steel structural strength at 500C for a small fraction of anyone floor, does not suggest cascading structural failure of the entire building. Let alone a single floor. 3) "At any given location, the duration of [air, not steel] temperatures near 1,000oC was about 15 min to 20 min. The rest of the time, the calculated temperatures were near 500oC or below.â (NIST, 2005, p. 127) This does not suggest the fire temperatures grew or even sustained themselves. Quite the contrary. This proves the fires heat DISSIPATTED after the first 20 min (after the jet fuel was consumed). Not surprising as it confirms #1. 4) NISTs' collapse modeling had to be curve fit to generate cascading structural failure. Collapse simply do not occur under realistic models using empirical data (blueprints and first-hand damage accounts). This supports the fact the Towers were explicitly designed to survive just such a calamity. We can keep going back and forth like this, but I am tired. Your cursory analysis of the event is underscored by a perfunctory grasp of the facts, as determined by NIST. You may be a highly qualified engineer. But other highly qualified engineers took this matter to task and arrived at key conclusions that clearly undermine yours. These are their words. Not mine. Have a nice day.
wikipedia is edited by moderators that have any agenda. they hide behind a PC theme and are no better then someone like the slpc or aclu. their agenda dovetails that of the mainstream media and is not a neutral source....they are actually worse than most mainstream sources due to their fake appearance of being neutral/unbiased.
I would just like to say that, despite being sucked into the conspiracy theory on this issue, JohnnyK is one helluva guitarist!
Having good quality assurance is tough to achieve and maintain. The ringleman values started at about 5. They continued to decline through the day and into the evening. The buildings were coming down and were down and still their were measures of combustion being generated. You will someday get the message on the pro's and con's of things. At some point you will actually get close to understanding what it is like to figure out how to collect information and data and do some critical analysis. There are people who look for stuff and read it. There are other people who get the job done. There is no way that you will ever have the capability to move from one group to the other. There are some people who have been on the firing line doing the walk year after year. Always look at a person's hands to find out if there are scars all over the place. They are indicative of walking the walk and correcting the problems in as timely a manner as possible. I had a Col adj of the USMC out of Annapolis once at EOP. His name for you would begin with P. He would lean into my ear until he saw the signal to say the word P. Bronk is explaining to you the sweat and tears of the situation from a command and control viewpoint. some smart guys fucked a lot of people by figuring out how to make a point with some pertinent symbols. I do not expect you to understand much of anything and don't worry about it.