Yes. Tautological and inadmissible for post postmortem consideration. Science doesn't start with a forgone conclusion and fit facts around that to develop a 'working theory'. Thankfully, WTC remains were quickly recycled before any meaningful forensic analysis could be completed. Just like the OKC bombing. But 'everyone knows' what happened. So this debate is really academic, right? There is a key distinction you're missing. The Towers were designed to not only withstand the impact. But SURVIVE it. Thats why the WTC engineers and architects are on record after 911, flabbergasted the Towers collapsed. There is no getting around this point. In order for this to be true, you'd have to assume the WTC engineers forgot to account for fire damage caused by the FULLY LOADED jetliners they originally designed the Towers to withstand. Patently absurd. And their own testimony proves it. The answer: not long. If you want to get serious, refer to the WTC Collapse report performed by the NIST. In it, they cite initial fire temps were 1000C. After the first 20 mins, they were no hotter than 500C. At 500C, highgrade structural steel losses less than 35% of its strength. Further, in NISTs' 'worst case' mockups, 500C truss temps were localized to no more than 15% of any one floor. Think about that. In order for the official truss theory to be true, a failure of 8 or 9 trusses (out of some 60 per floor) would lead to the cascading structural failure of the ENTIRE building. A building that was explicitly overengineered around just such a contingency. Sure. I am glad to see you valiantly charge to his rescue. (I would too if the roles were reversed). But he's debating strawmen and ignoring the best reconstructive data we have as to the WTC collapse. Thats a nice theory. Unfortunately, the NIST investigative team couldn't replicate your theory using pragmatic failure tolerances and empirical data. Instead they had to concoct a 'severe' collapse model - that admittedly ignored empirical fact and slashed assumed Tower strength - to generate the observable conclusion. That is a huge red flag. This conveniently ignores the fact the WTC engineers built the Towers to survive such a collision in the first place.
No, just suspicious about why a dark, windowless jetliner shot a missile into a skyscraper in new york, just before crashing into it...and why the subsequent flame burst looks like a napalm explosion. JohnnyK
Is this some kind of test? Ok, I'm game. First the translation skills tests, then the bonus questions. Like after a bomb. Like when a flocking bomb goes off! Like the torque from a bomb. Like an orderly succession of bombs. There were three collapses. All at near free-fall speeds. Lot's of bombs. Right next to where the bombs were placed. Where the bombs blew em to bits. Not only a coindence, but almost simultaneous. The design of the building allowed bombs to be placed on all the floors we determined in 2) which could not prevent the connectors in 3) from being blown to bits. Except if the bombs didn't go off as planned. Many records were destroyed in WTC7. But Atta should not have called his dad on September 12, 2001 so maybe he misunderstood his instructions. At the same altitude where it was hit by a missile. Somebody in a white military jet.
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Mr. K, I think one of us is embarrassing himself. Guess who my money's on? Oh, and by the way, you never did answer my questions a while back in the following post despite my repeated reference to it: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1022558#post1022558 (If I didn't know better, I would think you guys were conspiring not to answer. )
I don't think so. There was a fire. (More fuel than the fuel of the towers) The connectors of the elements of the bridge (transfer system) failed where the load was greater than each tower load above the point of failure. Three buildings. Three loads (multi story) Three fuel sources that well exceeded the limits of thermal eneregy standards. Three focussed points of stress and strain on connectors where heat is applied. Same design and construction standards. (Which are somewhat focussed on time limits) Time passes where no efforts are made to dissipate heat. The Pentagon and White House survived because of the degree of control exercised. Symbols were built. No strategy of protection exists. Opportunity and motivation are present. The link that will be made will be to exercise a strategy that eliminates the source of the motivation. Costwise, it is relativily cheap in money and rather expensive in time. Currently we are spending money continually on stuff that is trivial and we are increasing time costs faster than time is passing. The situation is deepening. People will solve the strategy as an NGO effort as an economic consequence of global communications to eliminate the base causes of what allows disharmony to be cultivated. I especially like the Swedish solution of taking chairs apart and putting them in boxes and sending them to schools for girls in Afganastan. From now on everyone should consider putting helpful things in boxes (taking a tax credit); taking them to collection centers (Gates at military bases); filling containers with boxes; transporting containers to military ships (freighters); shipping containers to ports (build one near Afganastan; build roads from the port; ship stuff to sites; build infrastructure; supply training; establish economies and world trade. This is a fast track solution that is personal. We have Dss without borders; engineers without borders; etc. and many nations have service corps. NGO's have taken over the environmental solutions. NGO's have taken over disaster solutions. Business just took over CMS. US labor has been wonderful for helping developing nations get capital to their citizens (immagration systemmic failure and outsourcing). We need an Amber alert system for helping others who have short term problems and then we can go to work on longer term difficulties. Share your profits with others. Teach others how to make more money so they can share too. Result: more stock exchanges all over the world. More commodities protection systems for stability. Being born poor in a disease didden place can go away quite rapidly. People do what is needed. If you want to knock a building down fast, apply heat. An airplane full of fuel costs four airline tickets. Building 7 can equipped with underground fuel storage for government emergency operations centers and a CIA bunker.
I looked at the global warming post. There's a scientist who swears the administration is squelching him regarding his findings. Is this surprising? What else am I supposed to think about it? Re the jet...are you not aware of eyewitness descriptions of the jet, confirmed by the pics and film, that hit the south tower? Have you not seen the slowed down video showing it carried some equipment on it's underbelly that should not have been there...and that it fired something at the tower in the last 500 feet toward impact? JohnnyK