Flip of a coin..but

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hilmy83, Jan 9, 2023.

  1. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Mean examples:

    moving average
    vwap
    Pivot point

    boundry examples:

    standard deviation bands
    % atr
    fixed ticks
    fibs levels
    pivot levels
     
    #11     Jan 9, 2023
  2. The more you zoom in, the more random it is.

    There's nothing random about saying the indices go up over the long-term. There's nothing random about the indices going down when the Fed announces a rate hike.

    But if you zoom in to tick trading, then it becomes very random.
     
    #12     Jan 9, 2023
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  3. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    1000 random occurence strung together..


    tha'ts your 401k folks lol

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    #13     Jan 9, 2023
  4. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal
     
    #14     Jan 9, 2023
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  5. Yes but that's on a small scale.

    A 401k is long-term, where indices always go up.

    In the 2300, the S&P may be at 100,000.
     
    #15     Jan 9, 2023
  6. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Yea I agree with that. I did mention trading as the context of the discussion.

    But what if, in the grand scheme of things, the stock market is random. Honestly, how long has our stock market existed for? Relative to our existence, it's pretty short history. Just a snippet of a lucky streaks of heads...
     
    #16     Jan 9, 2023
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  7. It's a place for people to keep money when they lack better options. This is a constant force trying to push it up. Unless something crazy happens like bond prices going very high like we've seen lately. I think it would take an planet-killing asteroid to stop it.
     
    #17     Jan 9, 2023
  8. M.W.

    M.W.

    Now, the latter statement is utter nonsense. You can't generate profits from purely random price series, not even in the absence of execution related cost. That is mathematically simply not possible. Over many trades that like claiming you can make money by playing roulette. You would not even if there was no house advantage. Or let me generalize to be more precise: one of your betting paths might even by pure chance turn out to be profitable. However that only represents one single evolution of probabilistic outcomes. If you would repeat the game and play again 100 rounds the outcome would be completely different. If you repeated that experiment many times you would end up with a pnl close to zero, in the absence of any house advantage or cost to play.

    Strictly speaking placing a bet on anything is making a prediction/forecast, even if you think you are trend following you still forecast the trend to continue which might turn out to be true or not.

     
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    #18     Jan 10, 2023
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  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Trading today <> investing to 2300. Or any year in between.
     
    #19     Jan 10, 2023
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Question, so how does one play the mean-reversion game with scale-in on a one-minute chart? o_O

    Seems even with code it is an awful lot to get right to make it work.
     
    #20     Jan 10, 2023