Flip of a coin..but

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hilmy83, Jan 9, 2023.

  1. rb7

    rb7

    Gotcha!
    It means that these stats are worthless because you don't know in advance if it's gonna be a low-high or high-low day.
    It's like saying that the Bills have 80% chance of winning when they are leading after 3 quarters.
     
    #101     Jan 16, 2023
  2. Well, I have to disagree with that. If you know with very high probability that the day high/low is in by the first 90 minutes surely that's useful information. And who's to say that can't be predicted in advance...? Besides, a good trading model will always be updated intraday as the day progresses and new information is known.

    In my experience most who say the market can't be predicted base that on trying to make a guess by looking at a chart and never took the trouble to even build a very basic predictive model.

    I'm only scratching the surface of what I'm looking at personally, but I don't like to say more than I've done already.

    I only made the initial post in this thread to demonstrate results that doesn't seem consistent with the theory of a randomly moving market to me. If so, you'd have the day high or low coming in at random times every single day. Something that clearly isn't the case.
     
    #102     Jan 16, 2023
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    It is almost 19 years old now (unless there is a later revised edition) but ...

    How Markets Really Work / A Quantitative Guide to Stock Market Behavior by Larry Connors (2004)

    ... lays out how non-random markets are. Or continue to believe what you want.

    Index
    Market Edges
    Short-Term Highs and Short-Term Lows
    Higher Highs and Lower Lows
    Up Days in a Row vs Down Days in a Row
    Market Breadth
    Volume
    Large Moves
    New 52-Week highs, New 52-Week Lows
    Put/Call Ratio
    Volatility Index
    Using the Information in this book

    That is as much as I will copy.
     
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    #103     Jan 16, 2023
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  4. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Let's change the perspective a little here.

    Can a random entry strategy make money in the market long term?
     
    #104     Jan 16, 2023
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    What's a random entry? For instance?
     
    #105     Jan 16, 2023
  6. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    coin flip entry
     
    #106     Jan 16, 2023
  7. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Just for the record, I trade based on price action that's pegged to the exchange open (London/Chicago). That indicates that I don't trade a purely random entry since there is consistent significant volume influx around that time compared to all other times

    But still curious, can purely random entry work in the long run
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2023
    #107     Jan 16, 2023
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  8. easymon1

    easymon1

    I knew I liked you, lol.
    What timeframe charts do you look at for those calls?
     
    #108     Jan 16, 2023
  9. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    1 minute
     
    #109     Jan 16, 2023
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Likely it can work .... randomly - if that is your pleasure. I prefer not.
     
    #110     Jan 16, 2023