Flash of Light when life begins... see as sperm hits egg

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Apr 26, 2016.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    This is like saying there is no science showing that if I put on an extra blanket I'll get warmer.
     
    #21     Apr 28, 2016
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  2. jem

    jem

    but you don't have any peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causes warming. (there were some old papers relying on now failed models.)

    why? because co2 lags change in temps.

    what if putting a blanket on happened after you already turned up the heat but clounds came in to block the sun and the temperature did not change on net.

    the earth is not a simple closed systems.

    we don't even know that man made co2 is a net warmer, net cooler or net nothing at this stage of the cycle. Which is why you can't produce any science. The system has been too complex to model.



     
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  3. jem

    jem

    its cute... but how many times have I showed you that the top scientist in the field has told us science has not found a complete pathway from non life to life yet. Therefore those dots are not an accurate representation.

    And just recently I have shown you top scientists are saying it looks like the drive to life was programmed into the building blocks.



     
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    #23     Apr 28, 2016
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  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Have any peer-reviewed science for that?
     
    #24     Apr 28, 2016
  5. And what does that prove? Survivorship bias? Natural selection? You realize, of course, it is estimated that about 98-99% of all species that inhabited the Earth are now extinct. So what is your point?
     
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    #25     Apr 28, 2016
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  6. More like beer-reviewed, to arrive at jem's conclusions.
     
    #26     Apr 28, 2016
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    He's going to post a chart. I'm going to post a chart. And so on. Who wouldn't take up drinking?
    :D
     
    #27     Apr 28, 2016
  8. jem

    jem

    I have posted this and other studies many times. This is why we call your lefty friends like freddie and fraudie, anti science morons. I will post the highlight and then a link to the paper.

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    "The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes."

    (Fraudcurrents frequently makes a disingenuous argument... then I have to point him to the "diff"chart below to show him that the seasonality has been removed. So I will post that chart ahead of time.)

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

    Abstract
    Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets; 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature.


    The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.


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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658










     
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  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    This doesn't mean any more to the argument than the planet's natural carbon sinks are still operating. But at a cost. For one, the oceans are acidifying.
     
    #29     Apr 28, 2016
  10. jem

    jem

    You asked if I had peer reviewed science showing co2 lags temperature change.
    I posted the peer reviewed science. You can check the data yourself.
    CO2 trails change in ocean temps.

    It matters very much that temperature changes leads co2 levels.
    CO2 levels might be similar to humidity. As ocean temps go up co2 goes up.

    If you have some science I will change my writing.
    It would not bother me at all if science could prove man made co2 causes warming. I just don't want to see carbon output being used to rob our kids of liberty.


     
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