Fixing America's Healthcare System

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Dec 15, 2024.

  1. Mercor

    Mercor

    Seventy-one percent report that the quality of their current employer-provided health plan is high, and 76% say their coverage would protect them from the majority of their medical costs if they had a major medical emergency.
     
    #31     Dec 17, 2024
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  2. Health Care programs supplied by the government, universities, large public institutions, and large private corporations are great and offer plenty of options with employer picking up at least half of the premiums. No one working for Amazon, the Treasury, Duke University or the World Bank is complaining about their health care.

    Lower level workers, small companies, independent contractors, elderly, poor people are all suffering with reduced access to the same health care. This is where the dems and gop have failed to address. NEITHER PARTY has come up with a pl an because in all honesty, the lower class is where aspects of socialized medicine can help. But since we have a for profit health care system it is easier to deny coverage and reduce premiums to offer less.

    After Obamacare, one of my small businesses had its health care offerings cut (dental and eye were pulled by the HMO) even if we were willing to pay for it. And we could afford to give it, imagine the other small business that cannot get higher level of health care options that large companies can. Independent contractors have no employee subsidization of health care and poor people and low tier employees get lower choices even at bigger companies.

    Employer provided health care is not the problem... ignoring the classes that cannot afford what the wealthy can is where the health care system fails.
     
    #32     Dec 17, 2024
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  3. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    And ignorance. Some making big profits from the US system aren't going to complain if some of the sheep have to die or go broke in the process. The bottom line is if US policies worked, you wouldn't see stats like Canadians living almost 4 years longer then Americans across the board. Or Covid deaths double that of Canada. Or higher teen pregnancies, higher maternal death rates, much higher insolvancy rates, ... .

    The Trump cult doesn't do data though they operate on emotions.
     
    #33     Dec 18, 2024
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  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Although I do blame the Trump administration for their handling of the Covid Pandemic, especially what they did in 2020, I do not blame them for a history of poor healthcare in the South since the late 1930s which began because of segregation and poverty.

    Yet, in the past few decades, poor healthcare in the south has escalated due to healthcare policies/laws by politicians in the South who are not employed as healthcare physicians at ground zero.

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    #34     Dec 18, 2024
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Frederick Ludwig Hoffmann is almost solely responsible for the U.S. not having a national healthcare system. Who is Frederick Ludwig Hoffmann? Well he was a Prudential Life Insurance Company executive who pushed "scientific racism" to oppose universal healthcare coverage which would support minorities since he considered blacks to be genetically and morally inferior.

    Frederick Ludwig Hoffmann (May 2, 1865 – February 23, 1946) wrote a number of papers and pamphlets defining his positions. He outlined the widespread health issues among blacks pointing to the cause as being physical and moral rather than properly associating the health issues among blacks as being related to discrimination and poverty.

    An organization, the American Association for Labor Legislation (AALL), pushed for paid sick leave, workers’ compensation insurance, child labor laws, social insurance and workplace safety standards in the early 1900s in the U.S. -- they were stymied by Hoffmann and his insurance industry associates in regards to universal healthcare coerage.

    While Hoffmann did do some reasonable statistical work associating how industrialization was killing American workers -- including looking at lung cancer in workplaces as well as associating lung cancer with smoking; he was most well known for his publication of The Race Traits and Tendencies of the American Negro in 1896.

    This in-depth article provides the full summary of the very interesting history showing why the U.S. does not have universal health coverage today and most other western nations do.

    How white supremacy prevented America from having single-payer healthcare
    https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/single-payer-healthcare/
     
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    #35     Dec 19, 2024
  6. That's pretty much a total crock.

    The correct explanation is that the U.S. adopted price-wage controls during WW2 which many companies believed limited their ability to attract new employees and maintain/reward existing ones. But since the price-wage controls did not cover benefits, employers could tack on all sorts of benefits to compensate for lack of wage increases. From there, health insurance benefits as part of the private sector was born. And it worked pretty well for many decades too. Health insurance was not that expensive- partially because the doctors and hospitals did not have all the expensive treatments that we have now- so there was not a lot of incentive to tinker with the system and look for a national healthcare system.

    You lefties are programmed to see a race-based cause of everything. Racist bridges and highways, being Exhibit A.
     
    #36     Dec 19, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I would urge you to read the in-depth article to get a understanding of universal healthcare movement in the U.S. in the early 1900s and how the U.S. was on a course to put in place a social health insurance program similar to the one established in Germany in the late 1800s.

    The price-wage controls during WW2 which helped widely drive the institution of employer-based health care insurance benefits is just part of the story over time in the U.S.
     
    #37     Dec 19, 2024
  8. Yeh, I dunno. I can't go into detail right now.

    But in general, Germany's adoption of government health care came about as a result of a screwy history. Otto von Bismark was, as you know, an Attila the Hun type of dictator. Yet he was the one who implemented universal health insurance, and he later shamelessly admitted that he did it because workers/socialist/commies were getting too many votes and too much power so he had to toss them a bone and he did.

    So who knows what the lesson is there. But- even if racism was a factor and I am not accepting that it was- Germany was not in a position to serve as a role model for anyone in those days so that didn't help.

    I can't actually access the link you posted, maybe I have used up my free reads or maybe the window I have open for pornhub (little joke there)uses up all my processing power or the website doesn't like my vpn or something, so my ability to comment is limited. That's fine though.
     
    #38     Dec 19, 2024
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Copy the link and open it in a private browser window and you should be able to access the content.
     
    #39     Dec 19, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #40     Dec 20, 2024