Financial day of reckoning drawing nearer?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by endsongs, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. the1

    the1

    Agreed, the American Empire isn't quite the same a Rome's or GB's but the sheer size of the US economy and the fact that it has military bases in what, 128 different countries? Qualifies it as an Empire. The day of reckoning is drawing nearer for sure but I don't see it happening in the immediate future. There will be more recessions and crisis' but will the country fall or declare BK in the next couple years? I doubt it.

     
    #11     Dec 18, 2009
  2. Could not agree more. You know, one thing I liked about the Russian political system (which of course, was never given the chance to work because of corruption) is that on each ballot, below the names of the candidates was an option called "None of the Above". If this option gets the majority, then ALL candidates are thrown out and new ones have to be brought forward.

    I kinda like that option.
     
    #12     Dec 18, 2009
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    the country doesn't have to declare bankruptcy to be bankrupt. do countries ever declare bankruptcy.

    how does a country declare bankruptcy?
     
    #13     Dec 18, 2009
  4. They don't, generally... at least not officially.

    But they become de facto bankrupt when they print so much money that they "repay" creditors with worthless (or worth less) currency... $Charmin, in our case.
     
    #14     Dec 18, 2009
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    when that day comes there will be a shortage of Charmin and person care items ie soap etc.
     
    #15     Dec 18, 2009
  6. I think when they default - ie, not make debt payments, or interest payments, etc., that is a defacto declaration.
     
    #16     Dec 18, 2009
  7. A country can't really afford to declare bankruptcy and officially default on creditors.

    Sure, that would "discharge" current obligations and then be able to "start over", but what about future borrowings? Lenders and bond buyers would want astronomical interest rates to compensate them for the perceived risk they'd be taking. After all, who would be eager to lend to someone or country who had recently dumped on those who'd lent them money before??
     
    #17     Dec 18, 2009
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    that is exactly what happens all the time in one or another 3rd world country.

    care to make a prediction when states within the US default ala the provinces in Argentina?

    it will happen with a domino effect.
     
    #18     Dec 18, 2009
  9. Hard to say. Many of our states are running big deficits and clamor to the Feds to give them money to meet their obligations.

    The Feds will continue to do so, as they don't want the first state to fail and start the dominoes tumbling.

    How long can the credit and print-money charade carry on? Maybe longer than we think, but with an accompanying inflation, debasing of our currency and decline in our standard of living.
     
    #19     Dec 18, 2009
  10. zdreg

    zdreg

    the charade is similar to the old saying about markets:
    "markets can stay irrational alot longer than you can stay solvent"
     
    #20     Dec 18, 2009