Finally, leveraged ETFs are preferable to margin, for long term?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by crgarcia, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. teun

    teun

    They must have, otherwise the product could not be financed.

    The issuer of such an instrument can use options or futures/stock to manage it. The expected value of the financing costs when using futures/stock is equal to the cost of time decay of the options necessary to have the same effect.

    So a long/short ETF has a lower/higher value over time than you would expect from the multiplier.
     
    #31     Oct 4, 2009
  2. rchstrmn

    rchstrmn

    The potential of decay in a position is worse than theta decay on a long options position. Never underestimate the compounding risk in these ETFs. It will eat one alive!
     
    #32     Oct 7, 2009
  3. teun

    teun

    That must then be the issuer who takes the money he thinks he deserves. Probably there are methods to to this other than from the advertised costs...
     
    #33     Oct 7, 2009
  4. Lol, do you realize you could say about any instrument where you're not using margin? "All you need to do is (keep) averaging down (with unlimited funds) somewhat" to make money.

    You can turn a long position initiated at the height of the internet bubble, now a penny stock, into a winner with the proper amount of unmargined funds. Is this basically the premise of this thread?
     
    #34     Oct 11, 2009