Fibonacci - How does it work - Does it really work?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by nlslax, Feb 6, 2006.

  1. I believe that as all other support/resistance levels, Fibonaci levels are points where something CAN happen. But, as there is no Holy Grail, it is only a CAN, in no way a certainty. Now if enough people believe something will happen at that level, it will actually happen.
    Many times, those kinds of mystical numbers (mentioned in the Da Vinci Code) are used by trading gurus to look smart. Some Elliot Wave followers will refer to the Kondratieff winter and the Gann followers to some other esoteric concepts. They sound so mcuh smarter than the rest of us !
    All in all, all those concepts should be only used, imo, with robust money management tools, namely, stop losses, when they do not work, which happens (!)
     
    #31     Feb 9, 2006
  2. It's interesting how sometimes 'previous/prior' Projection fibo levels appear to become support/resistance lines when the price is travelling in the opposite direction, as well as when Retracement/Correction fibos are used — clustering.
     
    #32     Feb 9, 2006
  3. seleukos

    seleukos

    Excuse me: they are NOT normally distributed, because a computer immediately sees that the spectrum is uniform.
    I will say that TA is not a good instrument and also the Fibonacci rules are leading you to nowhere.

    In the picture, you should see a straight line or something so. What we see is the 'underground rumor': this is instead normally distributed.

    Really, on the picture, there was no market at all: only random data.
     
    #33     Feb 9, 2006
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2


    We are the underground--We know who you are and what your trading strategies are--We are watching.
     
    #34     Feb 9, 2006
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I predict my lunch today will be at 50% retracement of the previous day's range. This seems to be the natural order of things and can be easily forecast.
     
    #35     Feb 9, 2006
  6. er, that's what I said :confused:

    I think you mean that on average you should see a straight line.

    I'm not disputing your assertion about Fib analysis, I'm pointing out a flaw in your argument ie that of applying normal distribution theory (coin tossing) to a non-normal environment (financial markets)

    .
     
    #36     Feb 10, 2006
  7. seleukos

    seleukos

    Coin tossing demonstrates that also in markets going to nowhere you can discover head and shoulders and so on. This implies that the matter is more difficult than we can think (see the last work of Mandelbrot).
    When sentencing an head and shoulder, it could be meaningless at all. So, it is meaningless to discuss about it.
    Markets are not normally distributed and Head and Shoulder are not really pointing somewhere.
    If markets were normally distributed, on the last two centuries we should have seen one or two daily movements grater than 5%. October 1987 had 0 probabilites about to happen in a gaussian distribution. Only one thing is about certain: in the long, long, long run markets are going up.
    But maximum for aluminium was in 1895 about.
     
    #37     Feb 10, 2006
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    That was a very interesting chart, but I think I found a problem with it. Its scale is extremely stretched to the movement (vertical) compared to the time (horizontal) line.

    If you make a chart where the scale is 1:1, so for 1 unit of time you make 1 unit of movement in a direction you will see that the very little difference between heads and tails makes very little difference in moving away from the zero line. So after 1000 unit of time occurs the heads would be only 26 units higher from the zero points which is only 2.6 % of the whole chart. So no big rally occured. It is like saying the Dow is pretty much exactly (well 2.6 % away) where it was 4 years ago...

    That is pretty much an untradable movement in such a timeframe...
     
    #38     Feb 10, 2006
  9. seleukos

    seleukos

    Well: again, we will demonstrate that the random charts creates some patterns that have no reason.
    For the dimension of the vertical measurement, the computer arranges the scale so that the top is at the maximum and viceversa.
     
    #39     Feb 10, 2006
  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I think what you are saying is equivalent of putting a piece of grass under a magnifying glass and discovering chartpatterns on it.

    In a few hours I will post a chart with normal 1:1 scale. You will see that there won't be any discoverable chartpatterns on it....
     
    #40     Feb 10, 2006