%% OK; you a member of NRA.?? They actually help train police I am NRA/ LIFE ,member. NOT only do most police like the NRA, most sheriffs do also. Ever thought about the fatal flaw in you logic,crooks dont obey gun laws??
Soon, they won't even need Billy Bob the Meth Head to supply them with guns. Whatever gun laws you pass will be an afterthought and the kids on the streets of Chicago will still be gunning each other down. The next wave is easy to assemble gun kits that will require little to no expertise in gunsmithing/manufacturing. Get ready for your favorite new rapper, Lil' Kit and a slew of other rappers with lyrics bragging about building their own guns. It's almost as if people can buy things online and international trade is a thing: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html ATF on the hunt for thousands of illegal machine gun conversion devices smuggled into US By Scott Glover, CNN Updated 6:29 PM EDT, Thu May 23, 2019 (CNN) — Federal authorities suspect that thousands of machine gun conversion devices have been illegally imported into the United States from China, in some cases ending up in the hands of convicted felons, CNN has learned. Agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are actively working to locate the devices and retrieve them. Brad Engelbert, an ATF spokesman, described the nationwide recovery effort as a “high priority” for the agency, focused on those devices in the possession of “people who may be a danger to the community.” “We’re working it,” Engelbert said. “We want to nip this in the bud. We want to get these things off the street.” He declined to provide details about the number of devices recovered, but said some had been taken from convicted felons. RELATED ARTICLEUnlicensed dealers provide a flow of weapons to those who shouldn't have them, CNN investigation finds ATF and customs officials in Chicago identified more than 2,900 packages containing conversion devices “that are believed to have been shipped into the United States” under false customs declarations, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Rhode Island. The devices render semi-automatic Glock pistols into fully automatic weapons and are considered a machine gun in and of themselves under federal law. While the devices are specifically designed to modify Glock pistols, Engelbert, the ATF spokesman, stressed that they are not manufactured by Glock. PayPal accounts linked to the suspected Chinese exporter – “revealed over 3,800 sales transactions by US customers who are believed to have illegally purchased and obtained” the weapons, according to court records. Agents with the ATF’s Internet Investigations Center recently purchased “multiple” conversion devices from a website “believed to be operated out of China” by one or more suspects, according to the affidavit. The conversion devices were sold for $19.99 each and advertised as “Glock Pistols Select of switch Full Auto For All models Glock all Generations.” Shipping labels, however, described them as “MULTITOOL SWITCH” and/or “HANDCRAFTED FINISHED PIECES.” It is illegal for civilians in the United States to possess machine guns manufactured after 1986. Ownership of a machine gun made before then requires a federal permit and registration. The relatively small amount of fully automatic weapons available for purchase has created a niche market in which they can sell for tens of thousands of dollars. Jill Snyder, a recently retired supervisory agent with ATF, said the fact that there’s no lawful use for the devices raises troubling questions about who is attempting to acquire them. “They’re not for hunting,” she told CNN. “They’re not for home protection.” Rather, Snyder said, she worried they may appeal to criminals interested in “drive-bys and mass shootings.” Attempting to locate and recover them, she said, presents an obvious danger: “You’ve got agents knocking on the doors of people potentially armed with fully automatic weapons.” Among the Chinese website’s suspected customers is a convicted felon from Rhode Island named David Poole, according to court records. Poole is suspected of purchasing at least two of the devices and was charged earlier this month in federal court in Providence with being a felon in possession of a weapon and possession of a machine gun. Poole is described in court records as “a known drug user” with eight previous arrests and a 2014 felony conviction for receiving stolen property. According to court records, he recently provided his girlfriend cash to buy him four guns, including three Glock pistols, totaling more than $2,500 in value. Poole was arrested shortly after the devices for converting Glocks to automatic weapons were delivered to his home, the records state. RELATED ARTICLEHow an engineer and a crack dealer teamed up to sell scores of unlicensed guns Poole allegedly told agents he acquired the devices “for home protection.” Contacted by CNN, Poole’s attorney declined comment. The case is pending. In April, agents raided a home in Missouri linked to man suspected of buying 13 conversion kits from the website of a Chinese company. The company is not identified in the court filing, but language used to advertise the devices matches that on the site referred to in the Rhode Island court affidavit. Records obtained via a search warrant revealed that Garnell Carter used his PayPal account to purchase the devices, according to an affidavit filed in St. Louis federal court. Agents seized six of the devices and found packaging “consistent with Carter having received more” of the devices. One occupant of the house told agents Carter said he knew how to convert Glock pistols to automatic weapons and offered to do so for the person, the affidavit states. Carter has pleaded not guilty. His attorney also declined comment when contacted by CNN. The conversion devices have also been recovered in Illinois and California, according to court filings and news accounts. Snyder, who most recently ran the San Francisco Division of the ATF before retiring from the agency last fall, said she previously worked on cases involving similar devices being illegally exported from the Philippines. She said the devices don’t have serial numbers on them and are impossible to track if not recovered in the possession of the original purchaser. She added that, just because ATF was aware of one company’s sales, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t others going undetected. “That sounds like a significant number,” she said of the ongoing investigation into the Chinese website. “How many other thousands are there that we don’t know about?”
No. I would never be a member of the NRA. The NRA has become an evil organization. I don’t say that it is evil lightly, i mean it. When I consider what is good versus evil one of the metrics I use is life and death. Life is good, death is evil. The NRA has pushed policies that lead to large numbers of deaths. It has failed in its self imposed gun safety and responsibility. It has protected reckless gun manufacturers. The NRA is an agency of death. It is evil.
The gun kits are an issue the Biden administration is beginning to address. Which goes back to my point of meeting the challenges of the day. It is not smart stay paralyzed in an endless cycle of death because we are afraid of gun kits and gunsmithing.
Out of the thousands of kits how many have turned into full auto machine gun killings on the streets?
You are missing the point. It is not about machine guns specifically. It is about the ability, desire, and capacity for people to build and distribute guns of any type in an illegal way. The point is not about machine guns specifically but guns in general. When the illegal gun market goes into full bloom, many will be willing to answer the call and become criminals. Stop treating guns in 2021 as some engineering marvel. This isn't SpaceX... https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/l...sed-gun-dealing-washington-dc-invs/index.html How an engineer and a crack dealer teamed up to sell scores of unlicensed guns By Scott Glover and Jose Pagliery, CNN Investigates Updated 9:50 AM EST, Sun January 20, 2019 MPD/From Youtube (CNN) — They were an unlikely duo: An aerospace engineer with a government security clearance and a house in the suburbs, and a gun-toting crack dealer whose purported motto was “always be ready to shoot.” But together, according to court documents, Leonard J. Laraway and Bobby Perkins, Jr. created a pipeline of illegal guns running from suburban Virginia to cities across the mid-Atlantic region. Scores of guns linked to the men have been recovered by police in recent years, most of them from Washington, D.C., according to documents filed in U.S. District Court in Virginia. Guns sold by Perkins have been “tied to three different homicides,” including the slaying of his own cousin, federal prosecutors allege. Other weapons were recovered from an alleged cocaine dealer, along with a bulletproof vest; from a carjacking suspect accused of committing two armed robberies in a single night; and from the glove compartment of a car – just beyond the reach of a man who lunged for it while fighting with police, according to a CNN review of court records, police reports, and interviews. One gun, a Taurus 9 mm, ended up in the hands of 22-year-old Marcus Bryant. Bryant was convicted of using the gun to rob a Metro PCS store in northwest DC in November 2015. He can be seen wielding the weapon in a surveillance video taken from inside the store. Unseen is the lingering trauma more than three years later for store manager Veronica Bermudez, who was two months pregnant on the day of the robbery and remains so fearful that she’s unwilling to work outside her home. “To this day, this is a nightmare for me,” Bermudez told CNN. “I feel totally unsafe. I’ll live with that for the rest of my life.” The prosecutions of Laraway and Perkins offer a glimpse into the world of unlicensed gun dealing, a common source of weapons used by criminals, officials say, but one that is frustratingly difficult to police. Unlicensed dealers sell weapons without conducting background checks on prospective buyers, making them a go-to source for people unable to pass those checks. The no-questions-asked nature of such sales can make the future path of the weapon difficult to predict. RELATED ARTICLEThree years after DC holdup, victims still suffer while unlicensed gun dealer is free Like many unlicensed dealers, Laraway seemed an unlikely suspect when he came under scrutiny by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, better known as ATF. He earned a six-figure salary as an engineer with the Defense Contract Management Agency and was pursuing a second master’s degree at the prestigious U.S. Naval War College. He also ran a thriving side business as a black-market gun dealer, according to authorities. Laraway bought guns at licensed stores, snapped pictures of them, then posted them on gun sales websites with a brief description — and an inflated price. He told authorities he would get phone calls from prospective buyers, then meet them in person to conduct a private sale in cash – without official paperwork. He sold dozens of guns this way before finding his most reliable customer: Perkins, a young former Marine who would later admit in court to running a drug dealing conspiracy out of an apartment complex across the street from an elementary school. Perkins sold marijuana, crack, powder cocaine, and heroin. He was known to customers and associates as “The Plug,” slang for a major drug source. Perkins was always armed, often with more than one gun at a time, prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memorandum in which they also cited his reputed slogan about always being ready to shoot. RELATED ARTICLEHow gun background checks work Laraway and Perkins first met after Perkins responded to an online ad Laraway posted for a Glock pistol. It was the beginning of a business relationship in which he would sell Perkins an estimated 200 guns over a span of a few months in 2015, according to court records. They met in person roughly two dozen times and Laraway eventually began “fronting” Perkins guns in anticipation of future payment. To facilitate this arrangement, Laraway provided Perkins with his checking account number. In the span of a few weeks in July and August of 2015, Perkins made eight deposits into Laraway’s account totaling $37,000. Laraway would later tell federal agents Perkins was only interested in buying handguns and that he always paid cash. He also said he knew Perkins was reselling the weapons. As of last March, ATF agents had traced about 130 guns recovered by police for which Laraway was found to be the original purchaser, according to an affidavit by special agent Ashleigh C. Hall. According to the affidavit, Laraway said he sold approximately 106 of those guns to Perkins before they were recovered by law enforcement. In the summer of 2015, federal authorities observed that Laraway had purchased more than 300 guns in less than two years and opened an investigation. Laraway was indicted in February 2016 for selling more than 400 firearms without a license. He pleaded guilty two months later and began cooperating against Perkins in exchange for what he hoped would be a lighter sentence than he might otherwise get. Laraway’s wife, Yali Yin, wrote to the judge at the time seeking leniency for her husband’s “one-time mistake.” Laraway’s defense attorney noted his client’s “highly decorated career serving the United States of America” and his genuine remorse for his conduct. “Since his arrest, Mr. Laraway has done everything he possibly could in order to address his wrongdoing,” the lawyer wrote. Laraway was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison and continued to cooperate against Perkins. RELATED ARTICLEGun form liars may go on to commit gun crimes, internal ATF research suggests It would be nearly two years before Perkins was charged with drug trafficking and dealing firearms without a license. According to prosecutors, Perkins sold more than 200 handguns, “including to people he knew were convicted felons.” “The magnitude of Perkins’ gun running is difficult to overstate,” wrote Asst. U.S. Atty. Alexander E. Blanchard. And the number of recovered weapons was continuing to climb, Blanchard noted at Perkins’ sentencing hearing in August. He told the judge that yet another gun had been recovered in a search executed just a day earlier, according to a transcript of the proceeding. In court papers filed by his defense attorney, Perkins was described as a hard-working, “loving husband and father” who overcame being expelled from high school to earn his GED, join the Marines, and become a skilled electrician. “Bobby is a good man…” his mother, a reverend, wrote in a letter to the judge. “He made some mistakes, but still he would work very hard to take care of his family.” Perkins spoke briefly at his sentencing hearing. He told the judge he accepted responsibility for the mistakes he made, but denied being a violent person. “I’m not a violent person,” Perkins said. “I don’t like to deal in violence.” The judge, T.S. Ellis III, challenged that assertion before imposing his sentence. He noted the more than 200 guns he’d sold and the fact that some “were recovered in the possession of felons and were used in other crimes.” “Maybe you didn’t shoot somebody and maybe you didn’t attack somebody, but you clearly were surrounded by instruments of violence,” Ellis said. It’s important, the judge added, “that any sentence I impose on you must stand as a beacon, as a warning to others not to engage in this conduct.” With that, he sentenced Perkins to 12 years in federal prison. RELATED ARTICLEWhy even the gun laws that exist don't always get enforced Laraway has served his time and is already out. In an interview with CNN, Laraway’s lawyer, Edwin Brooks, said Laraway began selling guns because he wasn’t making enough money to support his upper middle-class lifestyle. “Just like everybody else,” Brooks said, “there’s a lot of indebtedness: loans, credit cards. It was basically a financial thing.” Though Laraway is no longer behind bars, Brooks said there is lasting damage from his conviction, including the loss of his government security clearance which prevents him from working in his chosen field. As of last fall, he was the manager of a gas station. “The collateral consequences have been devastating,” Brooks said. Brooks said Laraway was blindsided by the result of selling guns to Perkins. “There’s no way for him to foresee this was going to happen,” the lawyer said.
You are missing the point.Its the penalty that keeps full auto machine guns out of the hands of criminals.Conversion kits and instructions to do it yourself has been online for at least the last 10 years yet you wont 5 instances of a full auto machine gun being used in a murder during that same period.Cons like to use the argument that criminals will get and use illegal guns no matter what,full auto machine guns prove that you can stop them.
Oh yeah, long prisons sentences will be a deterrent. Those 8 year average prison sentences for crack cocaine in the 80's scared Black people from ever trafficking crack. You lack the ability to see one or two steps ahead. When guns become scarce, Jamal in Chicago will be happy to source them from a new location. Fully built already or in kit form. They could be from the Philippines, China, etc. Billy Bob is scared of the 10 year prison sentences. Tyrone isn't. You need a reality check. You are living in a fantasy world. I will tell you another thing, I will be happy to take your money when you are willing to put your money where your mouth is. Joe Biden/Kamala will not win re-election unless they pass Student Loan forgiveness of at least $10K or greater. I will be ready for your election bets.
Crack and guns are a false equivalency.1st time small crack offenders don't even do jail time.Addicts are addicted,the dealers are willing to do it because of the potential to make thousands,hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.What you don't see in the hood is Tyrone killing with fully automatic weapons even though you can make one for around 1500.You rarely see convicted felon Tyrone with a gun. You lack the ability to see one or two steps ahead. Jamal in Chicago will not be happy to source a gun if it comes with a 5 or 10 year prison sentence.Facts prove this,virtually no one is ever arrested for full auto machine guns and only around 10 % of convictions for illegal guns are convicted felons. You need a reality check. You are living in a fantasy world. I will tell you another thing, Joe Biden/Kamala will only lose re-election if minorities stay home like they did in 2016.Police reform is far more important for them than student loans.
You need a reality check.Tyrone with a felony conviction certainly is,because its a 5 year federal prison sentence. In 2012 there were 84,173 convictions for illegally having a firearm.Of those 84,173 convictions only 5,768 convictions were already convicted felons,just 7%. Virtually no one gets caught with fully automatic guns which sentence is twice as long as a felon with a gun. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ck_Facts_Felon_in_Possession_of_a_Firearm.pdf Of the top 5 places were felons are caught with guns,Chicago isn't one of them.