Fed shotgun wedding of BofA and Merrill

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by WaveStrider, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. achilles28

    achilles28

    How's this for lip-service:


    The systemic-risk argument is based on short CDS exposure taken by large banks and investment houses during the run-up.

    10 insurance policies were sold on every 'company', so if one collapsed, the payouts would bankrupt a couple more, starting a chain reaction of failures that would ultimately destroy all companies that wrote credit-default swaps.

    This is the essence of what our chicken-little friends parrot without having a clue as to what they're talking about.

    All the Government had to do was step-in, nullify and ban CDS - which is within their regulatory auspices to do so (an asset-class Warren Buffet rightly coined "financial weapons of mass destruction") - and let the system purge itself.

    That contractual dissolution mediated by Government is of the exact same caliber used by Obama to force GM into bankruptcy, used by Bernacke to coerce Lewis et al to castrate their shareholders and submit to a shotgun wedding etc. And if the Helicopter-Crew want to cheerlead for "emergency powers" validating force majeur, they'd have to agree those same powers extend to the rouge instrument-class that levered-in this entire crisis, to begin with! == Nullify CDS.

    Except that would actually solve the crisis.

    The total value of US subprime mortgages is 1.3 Trillion dollars. Which is why the Treasury and Fed have spent over 6 Trillion AND committed another 8 TRILLION. Ring any alarm bells, yet?!?

    The whole thing is a gigantic Madoff-esque scam run by Wallstreet Boys dangling the knife of crippling derivative losses over the US economy. Then we've got several Congressmen threatened with Martial Law if they didn't pass Bailout#1 and #2.

    Btw, the Federal Reserve is owned and run by the very Banks who are direct recipients to the Trillions in Bailouts. Bankers voting themselves a bailout.

    Oh, and two high-ranking Democratic Senators went on record and said Bankers OWN Congress. On record.

    And then we've got the rank-and-file CNBC toadies piping-up, smugly declaring nothing stinks in Denmark!! Which is laughably ignorant. But hey.
     
    #41     Jun 11, 2009
  2. nravo

    nravo


    Dude, the guy you cite admitted to unsound practices. Did BOA do this? Shit yeah, if some guy is a crook or the bank is insolvent the Fed can and should act. But BOA was neither.
     
    #42     Jun 11, 2009
  3. nravo

    nravo

    You got it, sport. COngress and the Fed and the WH are banking on, pardon the pun, the gullibility and ignorance of Americans about these issues.
     
    #43     Jun 11, 2009
  4. Daal

    Daal

    Lewis was threatening another Lehman type event, heres the thing it doesnt matter if you disagree and think that merryl could fail without a problem THE FED DIDN'T THINK SO, they made their judgment and as a regulator they are allowed to do that
     
    #44     Jun 11, 2009
  5. Frankly, why waste time with morons that think we should stand on ceremony during a crisis.

    Absolutists are free to commit suicide at will.
     
    #45     Jun 11, 2009
  6. They are calling on Paulson and Bernanke to testify.

    Get the popcorn ready for that one.
     
    #46     Jun 11, 2009
  7. nravo

    nravo

    Somebody will be lying (or have a very warped idea of the powers stemming from the Federal Reserve Act and the executive branch.) I really do think that someone's head will roll here. If I was a BOA shareholder, I would, at a minimum, personally sue Bernanke and Paulson and attach liens on their homes. SAd fact is that most individual BOA shareholders don't even have a clue.
     
    #47     Jun 11, 2009
  8. While we are talking about investigating the Feds... the whole verbal denial of TARP funds for National City Bank stinks to high heavens also... considering they gave National City's TARP allotment to PNG with the caveat that PNG acquire NCC.
     
    #48     Jun 11, 2009
  9. nravo

    nravo

    It's been a whole multi-headed mess from the get-go, Paulson Bernanke and Geitner all scared Congress and the rest of the country into doing shit that no one understood, just to save everyone's political ass and Wall Street. They could give a flying fuck about Main Street, trust me. Now, the dust is settling and we see what has been going on, but I bet at some point chickenshit Obama is just going to pardon everyone saying it was a bunch of mistaken judgements in the fog of war, hindsight is 20-20 or some other bull-shit.
     
    #49     Jun 11, 2009
  10. Well, it's quite obvious to me that you, nravo, and others making a similar argument, were nowhere near the money mkts in the aftermath of Leh. I was, however; and smack in the middle of the carnage too. You obviously will not take my word for it, but I'll tell you anyways that things were getting very dire indeed and people were stocking up on canned goods.

    Secondly, why would you assume that I am not intelligent enough to make my own argument? Why would you suggest that I am parroting anything? If you're taking the time to argue with me, I would have thought it obvious you should extend me the courtesy of not assuming I am an idiot.

    For your guide, I am not willing to 'trust you', because, as far as I am concerned, you don't know what you're talking about. I am one of those people you suggest doesn't believe 'the scare-speak'. I will tell you that I WAS genuinely scared when the CP mkt completely broke down and there was a danger that paychecks weren't gonna get mailed to people.

    Finally, I am not going to argue with you about the merits of the Mer takeover. It's useless, because there's too much of 'what if' and 'would have' in that and it would be impossible for us to agree. All I would suggest is for you to think of the asymmetric payoff of the Mer situation. The potential downside from letting Mer go was monstrous, while what would we have gained, apart from the satisfaction of abiding by some high-falutin', and most likely compromised, principle (free mkt, moral hazard, whatever)? Given the situation, somebody had to make a call. I think they made the right call and, moreover, as a guarantor of financial stability, they were perfectly within their rights.

    Finally, I would suggest that there are lessons that history has taught us. One of them is that a hands-off and doctrinaire Fed causes big problems.
     
    #50     Jun 12, 2009