Fed says economy needs $600B bond-purchase program...haha

Discussion in 'Economics' started by S2007S, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. sjfan

    sjfan

    (1) Why do think the demand for UST will now not remain if rates go up to 3%?
    (1b), When the Fed does hike rates, everyone who bot the USTs at 30bps will have a principal loss on their balance sheet; Hey - we can now buy back the debt at below par if we want to draw down the debt load.
    (2) Why do you make the simplified assumption the GDP isn't rising? If the Fed hikes, then in all likelihood the GDP has risen;

    I think your stress case uses too little stress. I don't think the US will be unable to pay its debt if rates go to 3% or 10%. Crisis level stress will come from elsewhere.

     
    #31     Jan 27, 2011
  2. Firstly, when did I say that "no action ever matters". For example, I think what Congress and the White House do matters a lot. I just think that what the Fed is doing with QE2 doesn't really matter and I have already mentioned why. Secondly, I am quite familiar with the whole "tipping point" concept and find it somewhat overrated and impractical.
     
    #32     Jan 27, 2011
  3. That is some Keynesian cheap talk.

    You keep on being wrong. But hey.......I am not in the business of correcting you.
     
    #33     Jan 27, 2011
  4. sjfan

    sjfan

    Milton Friedman didn't disagree with this either; In any case, why don't you go back to that momentum thread; that's probably a little more of your speed.

     
    #34     Jan 27, 2011
  5. 600 b bond purchase is typical.

    New debt money will began circulating soon.

    The Fed is a champion at monetizing us debt. The proceeds are kept by our great banks, like Goldman-Sachs.

    some mainstream economists will began addressing the multiplier effect of these new salvation 600b.

    AT THE END this is nothing more than a bookkeeping entry. Hardly any real positive effect.

    Moreover, it signals to the outside world that the US economy and its currency are weak.
     
    #35     Jan 27, 2011
  6. Obviously your personal library is very small. If you ever read him read him again. And go to www.mises.org :)
     
    #36     Jan 27, 2011
  7. sjfan

    sjfan

    How does that work? I mean, regardless of whether you think QE is a good idea or not (which you clearly don't; and I don't either), how is GS benefiting from it? I trade govt debt institutionally - I have no idea how GS or anyone is making money from the buy backs (in anything, it's the pension funds that are making cash from it).

     
    #37     Jan 27, 2011
  8. Look my friend. I am not in the business of lecturing anyone nor debating my points of view. I come to these forums because their are FREE and you can find all kinds of thoughts and information. Most of the time blind people do choose to be blind. If you don't like my replies, ignore them.
     
    #38     Jan 27, 2011
  9. sjfan

    sjfan

    I'm actually interested why you think that's the case; I hear it a lot, and I get that it's somewhat convenient to believe the great big assholes of the Street are benefiting from everyone's misfortune. Just want to know why you think it's the case. Don't think I'm telling you not to talk or anything because I disagree with you.

     
    #39     Jan 27, 2011
  10. I think the past few years have given an IRREFUTABLE evidence that this is the case. (Help yourself finding them; there books, movies, endless internet pages on the matter)

    Every year we have bigger and bigger TOO BIG TO FAIL enterprises. In other words MONOPOLIES.

    We have a great corporate system in place. Privatize gains and socialize losses. So, socialism is good after all. It all depends you are socialism things for.

    That's why I (despite being Cuban by birth) don't reject certain forms of social programs that protect society. But this I live to my personal discretion.

    I'm actually interested why you think that's the case; I hear it a lot, and I get that it's somewhat convenient to believe the great big assholes of the Street are benefiting from everyone's misfortune....................................[/QUOTE]

    I wonder what makes you dont believe it or otherwise NOT SEE IT. :confused:
     
    #40     Jan 27, 2011