Fed hints at taper, Keynsians everywhere stunned as rates rise

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm sure Krugman is trying to think how he'll explain this in his NYT column. For a long time now we've heard that there's no problem with more debt. After all, look at the bond market! No matter how many times those of us with a shred of intelligence have replied that this was because the Fed was the only game in town, buying up all the debt issued and keeping rates artificially low, the Krugmanites didn't believe it. "Debt doesn't matter!" they would cry.

    Well, yesterday the Bearded Blunder himself indicated that rates would probably rise sometime a year from now. Furthermore, the life blood of markets everywhere - otherwise known as QE - is about to be pulled back slightly (and only slightly). But apparently this was enough to send a shockwave through the markets. Debt doesn't matter, indeed. An interesting blog article, from Mish:


    Curve Watchers Anonymous has a close eye on treasury yields in the wake of essentially no news from Bernanke as to when the Fed might actually begin hiking rates.

    A mere hint the Fed might slow its QE program was enough to send treasury yields and the US dollar higher and stocks lower.

    Yield Curve 2013-06-19


    Curve Watchers Anonymous notes the yield on the 10-year note is up 13 basis points from yesterday, and the 5-year note is up 17 basis points from yesterday.

    Here are some charts Yields are off by a factor of 10. For example 5-year treasury yield is 1.27% not 12.27%. Note the selloff (rise in yield) the mid-day moment Bernanke opened his mouth.

    $FVX - 5-Year Treasury Note


    $TNX - 10-Year Treasury Note


    $TYX - 30-Year Treasury Bond


    These are significant selloffs in this environment.

    So what did the Fed say?

    Nothing. At least nothing the market should not have expected.

    Bloomberg reports Bernanke Says Fed on Course to End Asset Buying in Mid-2014.

    Over that bit of nonsensical fluff (completely expected as well as frequently repeated fluff at that), the bond and stock markets threw a hissy fit.

    This is further evidence the current markets are all about liquidity and speculation and nothing about fundamentals (in case you did not realize that already).
  2. fhl


    We went from an exit strategy of selling all the bonds they've bought to a "tapering" strategy where they might , just might, buy less bonds. I seriously doubt that they will ever stop buying until it all implodes.

    The twitter libs have been on a mission the last week or so to promote the theory that all the buying had and has nothing to do with the levitation of bond markets.

    Krugman will never pay for this. His response will be that he's the guy to fix the crisis (that his theories have caused) and the knuckle dragging republicans are standing in the way of his grand solutions.

    It's just going to be the same ol same ol.
  3. If you push a balloon under water and then decide to let go, do you expect the balloon to stay under water by itself?
  4. Lucrum



    Ah the "logic" of a flaming liberal.
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Let's stick with your ridiculously simplistic analogy. What if you push a balloon under water and then do not let it go. but yet it still rises?

    Because that's what happened here. The Fed is still buying, but has only indicated it would stop some day in the near future. Already, everyone is running for the exits.
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Exactly my point, you just did it far more succinctly than I did :)

    If the Fed just whispers the word "taper" and bonds rise like this, how could they ever possibly stop QE, much less raise rates without a catastrophic rise in long term rates?
  7. TGregg


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  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Reminds me of how Mr. Market used to describe himself. The only thing missing from the FOMC briefing is Ben signing at the end like this:

    "Ben Bernanke - I am HUUUUUGE!! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses!"
  9. 1994 redux. Markets priced in rate hikes well before the actual event. This is basic rational expectations taking place.

    Noah didn't build the ark while it was raining.
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    This is a bit more than 1994, at least in terms of scale and difference between Fed manufactured low rates and where rates should be/should have been.

    Regardless, the sole point is that Krugmanites were saying how debt didn't matter, and they would point to rates being the proof - "Look at the bond market!" they would exclaim. However, when told why the bond market was where it was (the Fed cornering the market and being front run) they would mumble to themselves incoherently and vanish from discussion.
    #10     Jun 20, 2013