FED and Inflation

Discussion in 'Economics' started by HeSaidSheSaid, May 18, 2013.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    Congratulations, heypa, 87 is pretty impressive! I'm not quite there yet but approaching. If I am as lucid as you are at 87, I'll be very pleased, indeed! I'm not sure why they included the word "unstable" in that definition, because it is redundant,i.e., if prices are rising, they are not stable.

    The definition I quoted, by the way, was word for word from Samuelson, 1985 ed. That book came out in 1948.

    Samuelson's definition does not include the reason for inflation, because once you have defined it as a general rise in price and cost (or as I prefer: a rise in the general cost of goods and services), the reason can be anything.

    Interestingly, while we generally think of price increases as being caused either by increased demand or a devalued currency, Soros, in his beautiful little book: "The Soros lectures at the Central European University" -- have you read it? -- points out that demand not only doesn't have to be rational, but often isn't. Naturally irrational demand leads to irrational pricing . One of several, important Soros contributions to our understanding of markets is to recognize that the converse is also true. Irrational pricing can lead to irrational demand, via a positive feedback loop that pushes prices to absurd highs, or lows. (The Dutch Tulip Bulb frenzy of the 17th Century is an perfect example, as is the Tech bubble in the stock market.)

    I would say that Soros's single most important contribution to economics, however, is his recognition that "Market Equilibrium Theory" is wrong. This should have a major impact on how central banks operate, once the importance of this is fully recognized and widely accepted. I am very confident that Soros is correct on this matter, as proven by real events.
     
    #31     May 21, 2013
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    Beautiful. And the central banks goal should be to have their QE version of "printing" work out just as you've described!

    Well done, my friend.
     
    #32     May 21, 2013
  3. you kind get my point about not understanding what inflation means now. the added currency is in a limited amount of hands so i don't understand if that makes it not inflation.

    japan is going to teach everybody a hard lesson soon with the JGB and printing money.

     
    #33     May 21, 2013
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    brokerboy, it seems your post was really directed at heypa, who may decide to also respond, but please let me state a couple things that might bear on your very good, but difficult to answer, question.

    First lets clear this up. Inflation is just a general rise in the cost of goods and services, and the cause does not matter. It is still inflation regardless of the cause. Your difficult question was, i believe, if there is an increase in the money supply but it remains concentrated in a few hands, does it cause inflation?

    I am going to guess that if the new money does not get spent and just sits under a rock in a backyard -- equivalent to, I suppose, remaining "...in a limited amount of hands" -- that it does not cause inflation any more than the treasury printing a trillion dollars and then locking them up in a safe would cause inflation.

    However please don't accept my answer blindly. It could be very wrong. And I suspect that whether or not it was generally known that the treasury, or your "limited amount of hands" was sitting on an extra trillion dollars would make a difference. If, for example, the Congress knew that the Treasury had "under their butts," as vicirek would say, a trillion dollars, how long do you think the extra trillion would stay locked up, or in a "limited amount of hands."?

    Your question, as you posed it, can't be answered wisely. So I went ahead and answered it unwisely, to my regret, i'm sure. But perhaps heypa will have a more satisfactory response for you.

    By the way, are you really a boy? How old are you?
     
    #34     May 21, 2013
  5. no far from a boy just a screen name. your answer might be totally right i only ask because most are worse off from last crash and a few are 30% wealthier. there is always a debate about the real inflation so i was curious about that theory.

     
    #35     May 21, 2013

  6. I think Bernanke is lazy. He opts for a top-down, easy way to solve the hard problem by puming more money into the system since 2007 while goods and services in the system are not expanding, inevitably, that has caused inflation in the system. Evedently, costs of everyday stuff have spiked up in the recent years; I think the FED should approach the economy from bottom up like they did in the New Deal era (organically). this approach would generate more wealth, goods and services in the system... get that money moving through or around the system. otherwise, more money competes for shrinking resources, then inflation inevitably occurs, and it has!
     
    #36     May 21, 2013
  7. attached is the crappy job report for the Month of April... job quality sucks, a lot of jobs are in service sector. They're not going to last long.... there's one curious category. it's called "private-service providing", does it sound like "prostitution" ? :)
     
    #37     May 21, 2013
  8. heypa

    heypa

    I have only one thing to say about inflation and that is" The government never reports it consistently, only in a way that tries to make their reports look as favorably for them as possible.". It is a difficult task because inflation affects different socioeconomic groups differently.
     
    #38     May 21, 2013
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well, let us remember that the Fed mandate does not include the bottom up approach you are referring to. And the Fed certainly does not have the tools in its toolkit to pull that off. That would be a job for Congress and the Executive branch, just as it was in the 1930's..

    I think the Executive Branch would very much favor the full-on, bottom-up, "organic" approach you speak of, but the Republicans would raise their shrill voices against the "commie, socialist, baby murderer, gun hating, Kenyan, muslim President, Hussein Obama," and dig their heels in even deeper then they have already. If that didn't stop it, the Court would, five to four. It's not doable in the current political environment.
     
    #39     May 22, 2013
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    Most likely what you are observing is just a consequence of Capital being able to take advantage of the type of asset appreciation we've experienced since the crash, whereas Labor has seen relatively little benefit. In terms of numbers, far fewer are Capital than are Labor.

    The presence of inflation well above the official figures in a few sectors tells me that money is being spent. If it wasn't, I assure you, there would be no inflation.
     
    #40     May 22, 2013